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I was reading some old WWF posts at KM and saw someone posted this-

I can remember reading WWF match results from August, 87 when Kirshner teamed with Brad Rheingans and beat The Hart Foundation in a non-title match in South Bend, Indiana.

Any idea if this happened, or was it a made up result from an Apter mag?

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Notre Dame, IN - Joyce Center - January 14, 1987
The Iron Sheik defeated SD Jones
Dick Slater defeated Iron Mike Sharpe
Hercules defeated Jose Luis Rivera
Ron Bass defeated Jerry Allen
Cpl. Kirchner defeated Sika
Blackjack Mulligan defeated Tiger Chung Lee
Lanny Poffo defeated Jimmy Jack Funk
B. Brian Blair defeated Frenchy Martin
Roddy Piper defeated Adrian Adonis
Nikolai Volkoff won a bunkhouse battle royal

South Bend, IN - Joyce Athletic & Convocation Center - March 8, 1987 (4,000)
Brad Rheingans defeated Ron Bass via disqualification
Sivi Afi defeated Moondog Spot
Paul Roma defeated Steve Lombardi
Dick Slater pinned Sika
The Honkytonk Man defeated George Steele via disqualification
Billy Jack Haynes fought Kamala to a double count-out
Roddy Piper, Ricky Steamboat, & the Junkyard Dog defeated WWF IC Champion Randy Savage, King Harley Race, & Adrian Adonis in an elimination match; Adonis fought JYD to a double count-out; Race pinned Steamboat; Piper pinned Race; Piper pinned Savage

 South Bend, IN - Joyce Athletic & Convocation Center - April 28, 1987 (9,345; sell out)
Jerry Allen pinned Steve Lombardi
Ron Bass pinned Lanny Poffo
WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan & Ken Patera defeated Andre the Giant & Hercules (sub. for Bobby Heenan) when Hogan pinned Hercules
Saturday Night's Main Event #11 - 5/2/87 on NBC (9.5) - featured pre-taped comments from Randy Savage, WWF IC Champion Ricky Steamboat, Jimmy Hart, Danny Davis, and WWF Tag Team Champions Bret Hart & Jim Neidhart, Jim Duggan, Andre the Giant & Bobby Heenan, and WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan regarding the upcoming telecast; included Animotion's "Obsession" as the opening theme song; featured Vince McMahon & Jesse Ventura on commentary; included footage from earlier in the day on WWF Superstars of Ken Patera injuring Heenan, causing him to have to wear a neckbrace; featured Gene Okerlund conducting a backstage interview with Kamala, Mr. Fuji, & Kimchee regarding Kamala's upcoming match with Jake Roberts; included footage of the Honkytonk Man attacking Roberts during the Snake Pit, followed by Okerlund conducting a backstage interview with Roberts regarding his upcoming match; featured Okerlund conducting a backstage interview with George Steele regarding his lumberjack match with Savage; moments later, Steamboat spoke with Okerlund backstage and said he would be there to support Steele since Steele helped him at WrestleMania III; included Okerlund conducting a backstage interview with Savage & Miss Elizabeth regarding his IC title loss and his upcoming match with Steele; featured Okerlund conducting a sit-down interview with Heenan & Andre regarding Andre's match with Hogan at WrestleMania III, with Heenan arguing Andre's near fall within the opening moments of the match should have earned Andre the title; Heenan then said WWF President Jack Tunney should strip Hogan of the title and award it to Andre or schedule a rematch; included Okerlund conducting a backstage interview with Davis, Jimmy Hart, Bret & Neidhart regarding their controversial title win and controversial win at WrestleMania; during the segment, Davis lunged at Okerlund until he was dragged off by the Hart Foundation; featured Okerlund conducting an interview with Hogan regarding the outcome of his match with Andre at WrestleMania III; included Okerlund conducting a backstage interview with Steamboat regarding his upcoming title defense against Hercules; featured Okerlund conducting an interview with Duggan in the audience, with Duggan saying he bought a ticket to guarantee he would be ringside should Nikolai Volkoff attempt to sing the Russian National Anthem; included Slick, Volkoff, & the Iron Sheik conducting an insert promo regarding their upcoming match; featured Phil Collins' "Take Me Home" as the closing theme song:
Kamala (w/ Mr. Fuji & Kimchee) pinned Jake Roberts at 4:18 with a splash after Kimchee interfered as the referee was distracted by Fuji and hit a clothesline to the back of the head of Roberts; after the match, Kimchee climbed back in the ring and took off his costume to reveal himself as the Honkytonk Man, who then dropped several elbows on Roberts before dropping him with the Shake, Rattle, & Roll; Honky then took the mic and thanked the fans for their support before leaving ringside (Jake "The Snake" Roberts)
Randy Savage (w/ Miss Elizabeth) pinned George Steele in a lumberjack match at 6:44 with the flying elbowsmash after Danny Davis, one of the lumberjacks, climbed in the ring and hit Steele from behind with the timekeeper's bell as the other lumberjacks fought on the floor; lumberjacks for the bout included Davis, WWF IC Champion Ricky Steamboat, Hercules, Jake Roberts, Jim Duggan, Kimchee, the Honkytonk Man, WWF Tag Team Champions Bret Hart & Jim Neidhart, the Dynamite Kid & Davey Boy Smith, Tito Santana, Rick Martel & Tom Zenk, the Iron Sheik & Nikolai Volkoff; prior to the match, Hercules and Steamboat and the Hart Foundation and the British Bulldogs almost came to blows; Duggan was ejected from ringside at around the 4-minute mark after chasing several of the other lumberjacks in and around the ring with his 2x4; after the contest, the lumberjacks brawled in the ring until Jake Roberts appeared, his ribs taped, and cleared Kimchee from the ring with Damien; the bout was announced to be the last meeting between Savage and Steele
Davey Boy Smith & the Dynamite Kid (w/ Tito Santana) defeated WWF Tag Team Champions Bret Hart & Jim Neidhart (w/ Jimmy Hart & Danny Davis) in a Best 2 out of 3 falls match, 2-0; fall #1: the challengers won via disqualification at 4:34 when Neidhart, the illegal man, joined in double teaming Dynamite and refused to listen to referee Joey Marella's orders to leave the ring; fall #2: Dynamite pinned Neidhart at 9:48 after Smith press slammed his partner onto the champion; the titles remained with the champions because the first fall ended on a disqualification (Best of Saturday Night's Main Event)
WWF IC Champion Ricky Steamboat defeated Hercules (w/ Bobby Heenan) via disqualification at 6:42 when Hercules began choking the champion with his steel chain; prior to the bout, Randy Savage was shown watching the match backstage with Miss Elizabeth and Gene Okerlund, with Savage saying he wanted to see Steamboat keep the belt so he could take it from him personally; Steamboat was shown cheering Steamboat on during the bout in an insert; Savage appeared ringside midway through the bout and grabbed Hercules' foot as Steamboat was caught in the full nelson, causing Hercules to release the hold; after the contest, Savage went to check on Steamboat before he dropped the flying elbowsmash on the champion
Rick Martel & Tom Zenk defeated Nikolai Volkoff & the Iron Sheik (w/ Slick) at 4:45 when Martel pinned Sheik with a roll up as Jim Duggan, who sat ringside for the match, brawled with Volkoff inside the ring; after the bout, Duggan was knocked to the floor before he Martel & Zenk cleared the ring of the opposition

 South Bend, IN - June 21, 1987 (3,836)
Tom Magee pinned Tiger Chung Lee
Brad Rheingans pinned Frenchy Martin
Bam Bam Bigelow pinned Lanny Poffo
The Junkyard Dog pinned Nikolai Volkoff
WWF Tag Team Champions Bret Hart & Jim Neidhart defeated Davey Boy Smith & the Dynamite Kid
WWF IC Champion the Honkytonk Man defeated Jake Roberts via disqualification

WWF @ South Bend, IN - Notre Dame University - August 9, 1987 (3,594)
Scott Casey pinned Frenchy Martin
Rick Rude pinned Lanny Poffo
Davey Boy Smith & Jim Brunzell defeated Don Muraco & Bob Orton Jr.; after the bout, Muraco and Orton fought each other
Danny Davis pinned Koko B. Ware after hitting him with a foreign object
Killer Khan pinned Hillbilly Jim
Superstar Billy Graham pinned Hercules in a whipping match

WWF @ South Bend, IN - Joyce Athletic & Convocation Center - September 14, 1987
Included Don Muraco

South Bend, IN - Joyce Athletic & Convocation Center - October 5, 1987
Included George Steele

South Bend, IN - Joyce Athletic & Convocation Center - November 15, 1987 (matinee)
Sam Houston defeated Iron Mike Sharpe (sub. for Bob Orton Jr.)
WWF Women's Champion Sensational Sherri defeated Debbie Combs
Dan Spivey defeated Jerry Allen
B. Brian Blair & Jim Brunzell defeated Jose Estrada & Jose Luis Rivera
WWF IC Champion the Honkytonk Man defeated Randy Savage
Greg Valentine & Dino Bravo defeated Brutus Beefcake & George Steele
The One Man Gang defeated the Junkyard Dog
WWF Tag Team Champions Rick Martel & Tito Santana defeated the Islanders in a steel cage match

South Bend, IN - Athletic & Convocation Center - December 1987
Demolition defeated Billy Jack Haynes & Ken Patera
The Ultimate Warrior fought Hercules t oa draw
Brutus Beefcake defeated Greg Valentine
Paul Orndorff pinned Rick Rude with the piledriver; Bruno Sammartino was the guest referee for the bout



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Sounds familiar.

I think it was on the undercard of the Eduardo Miguel Perez vs. Danny Roosterbear Indian Death Match.;)



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I'm sure it didn't happen then. 

 

Last edited on Tue Feb 17th, 2009 05:26 pm by sportatorium roach

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sportatorium roach wrote: I was reading some old WWF posts at KM and saw someone posted this-

I can remember reading WWF match results from August, 87 when Kirshner teamed with Brad Rheingans and beat The Hart Foundation in a non-title match in South Bend, Indiana.

Any idea if this happened, or was it a made up result from an Apter mag?

I remember seeing this card in PWI back in 1987 and instantly thinking that it was bogus. Apart from that match, the whole card was loaded with matches that seemed highly questionable.

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tamalie wrote: sportatorium roach wrote: I was reading some old WWF posts at KM and saw someone posted this-

I can remember reading WWF match results from August, 87 when Kirshner teamed with Brad Rheingans and beat The Hart Foundation in a non-title match in South Bend, Indiana.

Any idea if this happened, or was it a made up result from an Apter mag?

I remember seeing this card in PWI back in 1987 and instantly thinking that it was bogus. Apart from that match, the whole card was loaded with matches that seemed highly questionable.

What a shock, PWI manufacturing and reporting bogus infromation.  I think the vast majority of results their year end achievement awards were simply made up.  How many of their writers and columnists were bogus?

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My impression was the bogus South Bend card was something sent in by a reader that PWI just ran. Generally the results were pretty legit. I had a card printed once and know of others who have as well. There seemed to be little reason to make anything up. The results only comprised two pages and PWI even enlarged and reduced the font based on how much there was to report.

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tamalie wrote: My impression was the bogus South Bend card was something sent in by a reader that PWI just ran. Generally the results were pretty legit. I had a card printed once and know of others who have as well. There seemed to be little reason to make anything up. The results only comprised two pages and PWI even enlarged and reduced the font based on how much there was to report.
I had results printed at least 3 or 4 times.  I'm sure they didn't verify anything I wrote, but the results sent in by people were real. 

Many of their correspondents were (and are) indy promoters, indy wrestlers, freelance photographers, and their own columnists.  I think a few of those parties could conceivably manipulate results to their own benefit, but I doubt PWI had anything to do with it. 

As an aside, I just found out that indy star Mike Quackenbush writes PWI's "International Report" under his real name of Mike Spillane, and he's sent in results in the past as well.

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Wow. This thread is my childhood. The Joyce ACC was the only place I ever saw the big-time WWF.



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So could you debunk this myth?

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Who was in charge of collecting PWI's results then? MagicTone?

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indikator wrote:
So could you debunk this myth?


I can only say I never saw it happen, I want to almost every card they had in the Hulkamania era, and I would've remembered something like that.



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LAF wrote:
Who was in charge of collecting PWI's results then? MagicTone?

I'd like to invite Chad (Tone) here. Does anyone know if he still posts at WC?



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LAF wrote: Who was in charge of collecting PWI's results then? MagicTone?

:D

 

Can't believe I slept on this when you first posted it.

 

No idea if Chad is still on the rasslin boards, but he would be a quality addition to this site if he can be found.

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LAF wrote: Who was in charge of collecting PWI's results then? MagicTone?

:D

 

I'd love for Snake to start posting again.



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