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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 02:29 pm |
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stingmark wrote: Jason Rock wrote: Congrats to the Yankees.
But I have to say I really miss the days when American League teams like the Royals, Blue Jays, Orioles, A's, ect. had a fighting chance each year to go to the World Series. It's really starting to become boring for the rest of us baseball fans when it's the Yankees or Red Sox every year in the playoffs and or World Series. Last year was a little more fun because of the Rays. I respect the Yankees but I lose more and more interest in the post season when it's the same teams every year...well at least in the American League. At least in the National League there is still a little more parity....but that's starting to become a thing in the past as well as large markets teams are starting to dominate there as well. I hate to say salary cap...and that might not be the answer...but something needs to be done so more teams have a chance to make the playoffs/World Series every year.
Yeah, must be nice to be able to buy a WS title? Yeah, Milwaukee and other small market teams "have just as much of a chance to sign these guys as the Yankees/Boston/Dodger's do"...Uh huh sure...Pittsburgh makes enough to sign maybe a mid level guy, not enough to field a team of fucking AS's like the Yankme's do every fucking year?
A little bitter Stingmark?
Instead of killing the Yankees for spending, why not fold some of these fucking teams that refuse to spend? The Royals, the Pirates, etc. Sure, the Yankees can pay out 30 million a year in luxury tax, these jerkoffs pocket the money instead of putting it back into the team.
Since 2003, the Yankees have paid 90% of the luxury tax total in all of baseball. Where's that money, Stingmark? Sitting in these small-market owners' pockets.
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 02:43 pm |
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Congrats to the Yankees.
Phillies have nothing to be a shamed about. Great Season to go into the Series back to back.
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 03:24 pm |
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bpickering wrote: Congrats to the Yankees.
Phillies have nothing to be ashamed about. Great Season to go into the Series back to back.
I agree - they had a very strong team and showed that last year was not a fluke.
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 03:30 pm |
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pjstef wrote: bpickering wrote: Congrats to the Yankees.
Phillies have nothing to be ashamed about. Great Season to go into the Series back to back.
I agree - they had a very strong team and showed that last year was not a fluke.
x2 - They had a great season and really showed they are the class of NL.
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nyhack56 wrote: stingmark wrote: Jason Rock wrote: Congrats to the Yankees.
But I have to say I really miss the days when American League teams like the Royals, Blue Jays, Orioles, A's, ect. had a fighting chance each year to go to the World Series. It's really starting to become boring for the rest of us baseball fans when it's the Yankees or Red Sox every year in the playoffs and or World Series. Last year was a little more fun because of the Rays. I respect the Yankees but I lose more and more interest in the post season when it's the same teams every year...well at least in the American League. At least in the National League there is still a little more parity....but that's starting to become a thing in the past as well as large markets teams are starting to dominate there as well. I hate to say salary cap...and that might not be the answer...but something needs to be done so more teams have a chance to make the playoffs/World Series every year.
Yeah, must be nice to be able to buy a WS title? Yeah, Milwaukee and other small market teams "have just as much of a chance to sign these guys as the Yankees/Boston/Dodger's do"...Uh huh sure...Pittsburgh makes enough to sign maybe a mid level guy, not enough to field a team of fucking AS's like the Yankme's do every fucking year?
A little bitter Stingmark?
Instead of killing the Yankees for spending, why not fold some of these fucking teams that refuse to spend? The Royals, the Pirates, etc. Sure, the Yankees can pay out 30 million a year in luxury tax, these jerkoffs pocket the money instead of putting it back into the team.
Since 2003, the Yankees have paid 90% of the luxury tax total in all of baseball. Where's that money, Stingmark? Sitting in these small-market owners' pockets.
This.
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 05:45 pm |
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nyhack56 wrote: stingmark wrote: Jason Rock wrote: Congrats to the Yankees.
But I have to say I really miss the days when American League teams like the Royals, Blue Jays, Orioles, A's, ect. had a fighting chance each year to go to the World Series. It's really starting to become boring for the rest of us baseball fans when it's the Yankees or Red Sox every year in the playoffs and or World Series. Last year was a little more fun because of the Rays. I respect the Yankees but I lose more and more interest in the post season when it's the same teams every year...well at least in the American League. At least in the National League there is still a little more parity....but that's starting to become a thing in the past as well as large markets teams are starting to dominate there as well. I hate to say salary cap...and that might not be the answer...but something needs to be done so more teams have a chance to make the playoffs/World Series every year.
Yeah, must be nice to be able to buy a WS title? Yeah, Milwaukee and other small market teams "have just as much of a chance to sign these guys as the Yankees/Boston/Dodger's do"...Uh huh sure...Pittsburgh makes enough to sign maybe a mid level guy, not enough to field a team of fucking AS's like the Yankme's do every fucking year?
A little bitter Stingmark?
Instead of killing the Yankees for spending, why not fold some of these fucking teams that refuse to spend? The Royals, the Pirates, etc. Sure, the Yankees can pay out 30 million a year in luxury tax, these jerkoffs pocket the money instead of putting it back into the team.
Since 2003, the Yankees have paid 90% of the luxury tax total in all of baseball. Where's that money, Stingmark? Sitting in these small-market owners' pockets.
as a Pirate fan I agree they need to make sure they are spending it. also as a Pirate Fan I think they should relocate the team to North carolina so I can go to more games.
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 06:26 pm |
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I can't explain exactly why I feel this way, but the concept that 'if you can't spend like the Yankees you should be contracted' really bothers me.
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 06:37 pm |
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thunderbolt wrote: I can't explain exactly why I feel this way, but the concept that 'if you can't spend like the Yankees you should be contracted' really bothers me.
I agree with this. But the original point was more directed at the process which the owners negotiated to be put in place, where the teams that spend above a certain threshold were to be charged a tax that goes toward smaller market teams' budgets. In many cases this money is simply ending up being collected by those teams and not used in the business. That is wrong. They negotiated for this with the spirit that it would help their businesses.
Of course the teams who do not spend like Yanks do not need to go away. But if they are not going to use the funds as it was determined they are to be used for, then the Yankees should not have to pay charity to those owners.
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 06:46 pm |
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thunderbolt wrote: I can't explain exactly why I feel this way, but the concept that 'if you can't spend like the Yankees you should be contracted' really bothers me.
I don't mean that at all, I mean you should be forced to have to spend a certain amount of money.
For example, if you wanted to set a cap at 160 million, the floor needs to be 80 million. Why should the Yankees be forced to give up 30 million a year in taxes to line the pockets of owners who won't use that money to better their team?
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 02:26 am |
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Detroit spent a lot too and they sucked ass.
Yankees spent a lot in previous years and it didn't work. This year's team did. Give them credit.
I talked with BJ today and we agreed that the Phils will be looked at in history as a good-almost great team.
The teams to make it two years in a row the the WS in the NL for the past 35 years (off the top of my head).
75-76-Big Red Machine Reds (won 2)
77-78 LA Dodgers (won 0)
91-92 & 95-96 Atlanta Braves (won 1)
08-09 Phillies (won 1)
That's not too shabby company.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 09:26 am |
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nyhack56 wrote: A little bitter Stingmark?
Instead of killing the Yankees for spending, why not fold some of these fucking teams that refuse to spend? The Royals, the Pirates, etc. Sure, the Yankees can pay out 30 million a year in luxury tax, these jerkoffs pocket the money instead of putting it back into the team.
Since 2003, the Yankees have paid 90% of the luxury tax total in all of baseball. Where's that money, Stingmark? Sitting in these small-market owners' pockets.
I agree on folding some of these teams. However, if they had a sal cap, they wouldnt need to "fold" any teams, and the Yankees would be lucky to win fucking 70 games a year. More than half their team would be done, same with Boston/Detroit, and anyone else who spends alot to "win a ws".
The Yankees also m,ake more than ANY other team in revenue, and from their Yes Network contract alone, so yeah, they should pay more than anyone else. Thats the price for spending $485+ million more than other teams for their lineup. When you have almost a billion dollars invested in your team, you better fucking believe that the Yankees have to win.
There is no more "he'd play the game for free" BS nowadays.Guys like Sabathia left Clev/Mil because those teams couldnt(or wouldnt) spend freely to keep alot of these guys.
Mark my words, when they impliment a sal cap, watch how fast the fucking Yankees become the fucking Washington Nationals? They'll be lucky to win 70 games, like i said. 85% of their players would be gone, as they wouldnt be able to afford them.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 11:10 am |
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stingmark wrote: nyhack56 wrote: A little bitter Stingmark?
Instead of killing the Yankees for spending, why not fold some of these fucking teams that refuse to spend? The Royals, the Pirates, etc. Sure, the Yankees can pay out 30 million a year in luxury tax, these jerkoffs pocket the money instead of putting it back into the team.
Since 2003, the Yankees have paid 90% of the luxury tax total in all of baseball. Where's that money, Stingmark? Sitting in these small-market owners' pockets.
I agree on folding some of these teams. However, if they had a sal cap, they wouldnt need to "fold" any teams, and the Yankees would be lucky to win fucking 70 games a year. More than half their team would be done, same with Boston/Detroit, and anyone else who spends alot to "win a ws".
The Yankees also m,ake more than ANY other team in revenue, and from their Yes Network contract alone, so yeah, they should pay more than anyone else. Thats the price for spending $485+ million more than other teams for their lineup. When you have almost a billion dollars invested in your team, you better fucking believe that the Yankees have to win.
There is no more "he'd play the game for free" BS nowadays.Guys like Sabathia left Clev/Mil because those teams couldnt(or wouldnt) spend freely to keep alot of these guys.
Mark my words, when they impliment a sal cap, watch how fast the fucking Yankees become the fucking Washington Nationals? They'll be lucky to win 70 games, like i said. 85% of their players would be gone, as they wouldnt be able to afford them.
The obvious glaring hole in this logic is, if the one team with the highest revenue in the League can't afford them, who the hell else in MLB could afford them?
Two likely truths: (1) if a salary cap were ever to gets implemented in baseball (which it won't), player salaries will go down accordingly across the board (which is a giant part of the reason it hasn't been put in place yet). (2) if a salary cap ever gets implemented, the Yankees won't suffer nearly as much as you think they will. Will a salary cap level the playing field? Sure. But the Yankees won't magically go from this tremendous, World Series winning team team to a totally inept one overnight. Let's try to be a bit realistic about things, shall we?
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