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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 03:17 am |
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CanadianHorseman wrote:
Kid_Naitch wrote: Count Grog wrote: Red Sox fans were FAR more obnoxious than Yankee fans.
I concur.
Well FUCK YOU too then.
What I mean is - could you elaborate on this for me.
It's taken Yankee fans a century to become obnoxious douchebags, while Red Sox fans did it almost overnight (funny how you never heard anything about Red Saaawx Nation during the 80 or so years they never won a World Series).
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tofu_chipmunk
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 03:21 am |
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| What I hate most about the Yankees is all of the whining they inspire. I'm not a fan, but they're the best franchise in the history of baseball, and perhaps in American professional sports. Like them if you want, hate them if you want, but man up and stop whining about the system, payroll, etc. when they win.
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sek69
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 03:37 am |
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tofu_chipmunk wrote: What I hate most about the Yankees is all of the whining they inspire. I'm not a fan, but they're the best franchise in the history of baseball, and perhaps in American professional sports. Like them if you want, hate them if you want, but man up and stop whining about the system, payroll, etc. when they win.
Yes we should all just shut up and stop mentioning that baseball has an economic system that rules out 2/3rds of the league from ever being serious contenders.
Really the only way anyone could be happy with the way baseball works is if you are a Yanks/Sox/Dodgers/Cubs fan.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 04:24 am |
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sek69 wrote:
tofu_chipmunk wrote: What I hate most about the Yankees is all of the whining they inspire. I'm not a fan, but they're the best franchise in the history of baseball, and perhaps in American professional sports. Like them if you want, hate them if you want, but man up and stop whining about the system, payroll, etc. when they win.
Yes we should all just shut up and stop mentioning that baseball has an economic system that rules out 2/3rds of the league from ever being serious contenders.
Really the only way anyone could be happy with the way baseball works is if you are a Yanks/Sox/Dodgers/Cubs fan.
And Angels
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 04:34 am |
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sek69 wrote: tofu_chipmunk wrote: What I hate most about the Yankees is all of the whining they inspire. I'm not a fan, but they're the best franchise in the history of baseball, and perhaps in American professional sports. Like them if you want, hate them if you want, but man up and stop whining about the system, payroll, etc. when they win.
Yes we should all just shut up and stop mentioning that baseball has an economic system that rules out 2/3rds of the league from ever being serious contenders.
Really the only way anyone could be happy with the way baseball works is if you are a Yanks/Sox/Dodgers/Cubs fan.
What orifice did you pull that out of? MLB is in an era of unprecedented parity that has never before been seen in any pro sport over the past 100 years. And the Dodgers and Cubs haven't been in a World Series since 1988 and 1945, respectively.
Last 10 World Series:
Yankees over Phillies
Phillies over Devil Rays
Red Sox over Rockies
Cardinals over Tigers
White Sox over Astros
Red Sox over Cardinals
Marlins over Yankees
Angels over Giants
Diamondbacks over Yankees
Yankees over Mets
So clearly, only 4 teams have a chance of being serious contenders, except for the 14 out of 30 teams (47%) that have made the World Series in a single decade.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 04:56 am |
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I pulled it from the last post I made about so called parity in MLB that you no sold like Kevin Nash on a TNA PPV.
Here's a C&P so you don't have to bother Mr. Searchy:
Thing is, for all the talk of parity and "screwing" better teams it just doesn't happen. Commish Bud claims the MLB had parity from 2004-2008 but the facts are that in those years, 48 teams had payrolls sub $60 million and only 13 had a winning record (and of those only 4 made the playoffs).
Conversely, 30 teams spent $100 million or more and 26 of those had winning records (and 16 made the playoffs). No sport is more clearly divided between the haves and have-nots as baseball, but somehow Budro has convinced the media that baseball is some isle of athletic communism where everyone is equal. If anything, it pretty clearly drives home the point that there's no reason to be a fan if your team doesn't spend. Even if they manage a winning season, they probably won't make the playoffs. If they manage that, they'll end up one-and-done and get swept by a team with three times the payroll.
Obviously spending alone won't produce a winner, any Mets fan can tell you that, but a team that keeps its payroll in the bottom tier all but guarantees a non competitive baseball team.
I'm sure you'll ignore it like you did the last time since the facts keep poking holes in your argument.
Another point: Look at the list of WS winners, the only teams that stand out are the Marlins and Diamondbacks and they basically went all in for one winning season and had a fire sale shortly after. If anything, they only further the case that the shortest way to the WS is to spend, spend, spend.
Also let me just add I don't hate the Yankees for outspending the league, it's not their fault the system in baseball is the mess that it is.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 05:03 am |
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sek69 wrote: I pulled it from the last post I made about so called parity in MLB that you no sold like Kevin Nash on a TNA PPV.
Here's a C&P so you don't have to bother Mr. Searchy:
Thing is, for all the talk of parity and "screwing" better teams it just doesn't happen. Commish Bud claims the MLB had parity from 2004-2008 but the facts are that in those years, 48 teams had payrolls sub $60 million and only 13 had a winning record (and of those only 4 made the playoffs).
Conversely, 30 teams spent $100 million or more and 26 of those had winning records (and 16 made the playoffs). No sport is more clearly divided between the haves and have-nots as baseball, but somehow Budro has convinced the media that baseball is some isle of athletic communism where everyone is equal. If anything, it pretty clearly drives home the point that there's no reason to be a fan if your team doesn't spend. Even if they manage a winning season, they probably won't make the playoffs. If they manage that, they'll end up one-and-done and get swept by a team with three times the payroll.
Obviously spending alone won't produce a winner, any Mets fan can tell you that, but a team that keeps its payroll in the bottom tier all but guarantees a non competitive baseball team.
I'm sure you'll ignore it like you did the last time since the facts keep poking holes in your argument.
Another point: Look at the list of WS winners, the only teams that stand out are the Marlins and Diamondbacks and they basically went all in for one winning season and had a fire sale shortly after. If anything, they only further the case that the shortest way to the WS is to spend, spend, spend.
Also let me just add I don't hate the Yankees for outspending the league, it's not their fault the system in baseball is the mess that it is.
So you're quoting yourself as an example of having facts? Interesting. There actually are no real facts except the list of World Series participants over the past 10 years. That says it all. How you can pretend to mention "facts" while ignoring the only one that matters (namely, who actually wins) is beyond me. And every team has the Yankees' money to spend because they're robbing enough of it from them, but most choose not to. That's not the Yankees fault. And you're changing your tune quite a bit from your last post since now only the Marlins and D'Backs stand out as surprise winners when a few minutes ago only the "Yanks/Sox/Dodgers/Cubs" could compete. Last edited on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 05:10 am by srossi
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 05:14 am |
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Rossi is correct- there is parity at the top in MLB.
At the bottom? The stupid teams remain stupid.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 05:15 am |
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As a die hard, born and raised Yankees fan, I hate the fact that most non-Yankees fans equate me with self important bloviating douchbags like Rossi.
And before you call me a troll, go reread your vagina monologues in the In Game thread. Conversations with oneself are never impressive Steve. And they do nothing to take away from the "asshole Yankee fan" image.
So yeah...that about it. Oh and I also have a sincere hatred for pretty much 1983 to mid-1995.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 05:18 am |
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I'm quoting a post I made earlier, the facts are the actual statistics. I didn't make them up.
How you can pretend to mention "facts" while ignoring the only one that matters (namely, who actually wins) is beyond me.
Who's ignoring them? Do you actually read posts other people make on this board?
What I said was the only teams who've won in the last 10 years who are not constantly in the top of the spending list are the Marlins and Diamondbacks. Both of those teams won because they spent over their heads and quickly dismantled their teams after winning.
And every team has the Yankees' money to spend because they're robbing enough of it from them, but most choose not to.
Right. You have financial details of all MLB teams how? Oh yeah, you just complain that the Yanks have to share part of their billions with the peons who play in the cornfields.
Bad GMs/owners certainly exist, but the concept that everyone can spend because they steal from the poor widdle Yankees is so laughable I think the average IQ of this forum has dropped from the stupidity of it.
And you're changing your tune quite a bit from your last post since now only the Marlins and D'Backs stand out as surprise winners when a few minutes ago only the "Yanks/Sox/Dodgers/Cubs" could compete.
Tune's the same, Sunshine. My point is the only way a team could break into the Yanks/Sox/Phils/Angels tier is if they mortgage their future for one or two shots a a series. The big spenders contend every single year. How'd the Marlins and D-backs fare this year?
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 05:25 am |
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sek69 wrote: I'm quoting a post I made earlier, the facts are the actual statistics. I didn't make them up.
How you can pretend to mention "facts" while ignoring the only one that matters (namely, who actually wins) is beyond me.
Who's ignoring them? Do you actually read posts other people make on this board?
What I said was the only teams who've won in the last 10 years who are not constantly in the top of the spending list are the Marlins and Diamondbacks. Both of those teams won because they spent over their heads and quickly dismantled their teams after winning.
And every team has the Yankees' money to spend because they're robbing enough of it from them, but most choose not to.
Right. You have financial details of all MLB teams how? Oh yeah, you just complain that the Yanks have to share part of their billions with the peons who play in the cornfields.
Bad GMs/owners certainly exist, but the concept that everyone can spend because they steal from the poor widdle Yankees is so laughable I think the average IQ of this forum has dropped from the stupidity of it.
And you're changing your tune quite a bit from your last post since now only the Marlins and D'Backs stand out as surprise winners when a few minutes ago only the "Yanks/Sox/Dodgers/Cubs" could compete.
Tune's the same, Sunshine. My point is the only way a team could break into the Yanks/Sox/Phils/Angels tier is if they mortgage their future for one or two shots a a series. The big spenders contend every single year. How'd the Marlins and D-backs fare this year?
No point in debating each point because you already know the answers but yes, we pretty much do know the exact financials of MLB teams, exactly how much they get from the luxury tax (i.e. Yankees since they're paying almost all of it) and what their payroll then is.
As far as your tune changes, it just changed again as the "Yanks/Sox/Dodgers/Cubs" became the "Yanks/Sox/Phils/Angels" (well you're 50% consistent so congratulations on that) and the D'Backs were not at all a one-hit wonder like the Marlins and have in fact won 4 NL West titles - 1999, 2001, 2002, 2007. The fact that the D'Backs didn't have a good year this year is actually further proof that parity exists after how well they've done most of the past 10 years. So thanks for conceding that point to me.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 05:39 am |
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No one's conceding any points to you, you insufferable everything-revolves-around-me-and-things-I-like douchebag.
I get how you can be so deep in denial since your favorite team benefits the most from the economic system in baseball but if you really think teams like the Royals, Indians, Marlins, Orioles, Nationals, Pirates, A's, Diamondbacks, Reds, Padres, and Blue Jays have every chance to compete on a yearly basis I'm just going to laugh at you and so will anyone who has a fucking clue about baseball.
Bottom line is the teams who compete every year and get in the playoffs and World Series are the top spenders in the league. Yes every so often a small spender will sneak in and get a spot, or a mid range spender will increase payroll to make a run for a year or two, but consistent year in and year out World Series contenders are going to be the majority of the top ten spenders in payroll every year.
Teams that play in salary cap leagues and are bad every year (Lions, Browns, Clippers) are almost always plagued by bad ownership and/or management. Teams can have solid ownership and still not be able to contend due to the economic realities of the game. It will continue to be that way until we're left with the same 6-8 teams in the playoffs every year (which is pretty close to happening now, all but a couple of the division races were sealed up practically midseason).
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 05:43 am |
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sek69 wrote: No one's conceding any points to you, you insufferable everything-revolves-around-me-and-things-I-like douchebag.
You can attempt to insult me but you did not actually address any of my points or the flaws in your arguments. You've come right out and said several things that are 100% untrue, like the D'Backs being a one-year wonder and that we can't possibly know what the finances are of MLB teams when that info is largely public, and when I call you on it your defense it to call me a douchebag. I guess I'm supposed to get all huffy now and insult you back. Instead I'm going to bed.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 05:47 am |
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Here's a visual aid:
2009 Team Payrolls
No.Team Payrol lAverage
1.New York Yankees$201,449,289 $7,748,050
2.New York Mets $135,773,988 $4,849,071
3.Chicago Cubs$135,050,000 $5,402,000
4.Boston Red Sox$122,696,000 $4,089,867
5.Detroit Tigers$115,085,145 $4,110,184
6.Los Angeles Angels$113,709,000 $4,061,036
7.Philadelphia Phillies$113,004,048 $4,185,335
8.Houston Astros $102,996,415 $3,814,682
9.Los Angeles Dodgers$100,458,101 $4,018,324
10.Seattle Mariners$98,904,167 $3,532,292
11.Atlanta Braves$96,726,167 $3,335,385
12.Chicago White Sox$96,068,500 $3,694,942
13.St. Louis Cardinals$88,528,411 $3,278,830
14.San Francisco Giants$82,161,450 $3,043,017
15.Cleveland Indians$81,625,567 $3,023,169
16.Toronto Blue Jays$80,993,657 $2,892,631
17.Milwaukee Brewers$79,857,502 $3,194,300
18.Colorado Rockies$75,201,000 $2,785,222
19.Arizona Diamondbacks$73,571,667 $2,724,877
20.Cincinnati Reds$70,968,500 $2,957,021
21.Kansas City Royals$70,908,333 $2,727,244
22.Texas Rangers$68,646,023 $2,367,104
23.Baltimore Orioles$67,101,667 $2,580,833
24.Minnesota Twins$65,299,267 $2,251,699
25.Tampa Bay Rays$63,313,035 $2,183,208
26.Oakland Athletics$62,310,000 $2,225,357
27.Nationals$59,328,000 $2,045,793
28.Pirates$48,743,000 $1,874,731
29.San Diego Padres$42,796,700 $1,528,454
30.Florida Marlins $36,814,000 $1,314,786
Hopefully you notice a trend there, but you'll probably just point out the Mets as proof you're correct.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 05:49 am |
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srossi wrote: sek69 wrote: No one's conceding any points to you, you insufferable everything-revolves-around-me-and-things-I-like douchebag.
You can attempt to insult me but you did not actually address any of my points or the flaws in your arguments. You've come right out and said several things that are 100% untrue, like the D'Backs being a one-year wonder and that we can't possibly know what the finances are of MLB teams when that info is largely public, and when I call you on it your defense it to call me a douchebag. I guess I'm supposed to get all huffy now and insult you back. Instead I'm going to bed.
Yes, take your ball and go home instead of dealing with the cold hard facts. No one's buying this "I'm going to be the better man" act.
Baseball teams are private businesses, under no direction to release any financial info other than team payroll. In fact, one of the main points of contention with the Pirates owners is they've allowed speculation of them pocketing money to get out of control because they refuse to open the books.
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