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If Andy Pettitte's career ended after this season do you think he is a hall of famer?



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 Posted: Tue Mar 9th, 2010 01:23 pm
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Nope. He admitted to using PEDs. No way he'd ever get my vote.

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 Posted: Tue Mar 9th, 2010 01:31 pm
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No, but not for the PEDs, he just wasn't elite.

He was never the best pitcher in the league.

He won 20 games only twice.

That said, he always got better in teh 2nd half of the season and he was as clutch as they come in the playoffs/WS, before or after his PED use.

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Very close.  His won-loss record is spectacular at 229-135 (.629).  ERA is under 4, excellent for spending most of his career in the A.L. East.  Postseason he's even better with an 18-9 (.667) record and maintaining a sub-4 ERA.  A work-horse who is always among league leaders in innings pitched and led the league in starts 3 years.  Maybe the best pick-off move in the history of the game and fields his position well if you want to throw in some extras. 

On the downside, he's only reached 20 wins twice in a 14-year career.  Only led the league in wins once.  Only made the All-Star team twice.  Wins are helped a lot by being a Yankee because his last year in Houston he pitched very well and went 14-13.  Really never THE man in a rotation, but usually 1a or 1b.  Gets his outs on ground balls, which is less sexy than the strikeout kings that voters usually gravitate towards. 

It's a tough call.  I'd give him the nod based on clutch pitching performances in the postseason.  That's what it's all about and he's out-dueled some of the best in the game in the playoffs year in and year out, most notably the famous 1-0 win over John Smoltz in Game 5 in '96. 



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Borderline, but my gut says no.  I'd be more inclined to put in Jack Morris or Mike Mussina before I'd put Pettite in.

I do think I'd put Pettite in before I'd put Blylevyn in though.

 



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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: Borderline, but my gut says no.  I'd be more inclined to put in Jack Morris or Mike Mussina before I'd put Pettite in.

I do think I'd put Pettite in before I'd put Blylevyn in though.

 

I'd put Pettitte in long before Mussina.  To any Yankee fan it's not even a question of who you'd rather have pitching a big game.



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I say no because of the PED's but also because he wasn't elite, like Hack said.

He was as clutch as they come in the post-season and is one of my faves for Yankee pitchers.

I think Ron Guidry was a better pitcher. Guidry started in the majors at 27 though, eliminating any chance he had at all-time recognition.



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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: Borderline, but my gut says no.  I'd be more inclined to put in Jack Morris or Mike Mussina before I'd put Pettite in.

I do think I'd put Pettite in before I'd put Blylevyn in though.

 

I think that Blyleven and Morris deserve to be in moreso then Pettite. Pettite was very good, but not great. Pass.



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If Andy Pettitte spent his career as a Milwaukee Brewer he wouldn't even be in the conversation.

Absolutely not.  The career numbers arent there at all.

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No, he'd be fortunate to receive the requisite five percent of the vote of the Baseball Writer's Association of America(B.B.W.A.A.) on the 2016 Hall of Fame Ballot, which would be his first year of HoF eligibility, needed to remain on the HoF ballot.

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CampCornetteNWA wrote:
Nope. He admitted to using PEDs. No way he'd ever get my vote.

That certainly didn't take long.

I don't see Pettite as a Hall of Famer either. He's the next step down, and if he had won a Cy Young Award I might endorse him, but there's just not enough there. Put him in the "Hall of Really Good" with Steve Garvey, Al Oliver, Jack Morris, etc.

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BigJ wrote: If Andy Pettitte spent his career as a Milwaukee Brewer he wouldn't even be in the conversation.

If he was any good, he wouldn't have stayed in Milwaukee beyond his first foray into free agency.

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BigJ wrote: If Andy Pettitte spent his career as a Milwaukee Brewer he wouldn't even be in the conversation.

Absolutely not.  The career numbers arent there at all.

This.



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 Posted: Tue Mar 9th, 2010 11:54 pm
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Tommy John deserves to be in more than Andy Petite. He's got the most career wins among lefties not in.

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CampCornetteNWA wrote: Tommy John deserves to be in more than Andy Petite. He's got the most career wins among lefties not in.

Somebody has to have that distinction, that doesn't make them a Hall Of Famer.



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