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The WHY is if you feel like you have seen all that he can and feel you can go no further with him. The fanbase is ready to give him away for pennies on the dollar (change for the sake of change) I don't necessarily subscribe to that theory but do feel there is too much drama as it pertains to McNabb and the Eagles and it might be best for both sides to move forward.

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beejmi wrote: The WHY is if you feel like you have seen all that he can and feel you can go no further with him. The fanbase is ready to give him away for pennies on the dollar (change for the sake of change) I don't necessarily subscribe to that theory but do feel there is too much drama as it pertains to McNabb and the Eagles and it might be best for both sides to move forward.

I love McNabb, but Beej is right, the natives have been getting restless for the past 3 years, and it's getting worse. Media that use to defend Him are even saying that it would be best if He moved on. Kolb is 25, and the Offense as a whole, is really Young. Take a hit this year, and maybe next, and stock up on some higher picks and draft some O-Lineman and Defensive help and watch this team soar. ( pun intented)



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C.C. Milani wrote: Any idea WHY there's talk of Philly dealing McNabb? Is it because they think Kolb is ready to go?

I *loved* Kolb coming out of UH. I thought he merited a top-ten overall selection, so obviously I thought he was a bargain in the second round. I have no idea how he's developed so far in Philly, though.

I thought they were shopping Kolb, too? What they need is a full time RB, since Westbrook is toast and McCoy seems more like a change of pace guy.



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Kid_Naitch wrote: C.C. Milani wrote: Any idea WHY there's talk of Philly dealing McNabb? Is it because they think Kolb is ready to go?

I *loved* Kolb coming out of UH. I thought he merited a top-ten overall selection, so obviously I thought he was a bargain in the second round. I have no idea how he's developed so far in Philly, though.

I thought they were shopping Kolb, too? What they need is a full time RB, since Westbrook is toast and McCoy seems more like a change of pace guy.

They are fine at RB with McCoy, Mike Bell & Leonard Weaver. Everybody knows that Kolb isn't going anywhere, unless someone wants to give up 2 1st Round picks. Reid is shopping McNabb & McNabb only, and no one wants Vick.



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Oh I think Vick is "out there" also for the right price. My hunch is his value isn't much. Are we even sure he can play effectively?


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When did he ever?

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Chrisstlouis wrote: When did he ever?
According to a select few on this board, Vick was/is the best thing since sliced Bread. These same people also said that JaMarcus Russell was going to be a Stud in the NFL.



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Chrisstlouis wrote: When did he ever? Vick was winning like crazy and carrying mediocre falcon teams in his first few seasons. That is a fact.  I don't necessarily like the guy, but he was a dynamic player that was winning games for a while.  Most I know feared him when they would play the Saints, and for good reason.  Of course, those days are long gone.



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To me the "Vick" thing is easy ~ he hasn't started a game since the 2006 season so why would there be much interest?

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DaNkinator wrote: I just read another rumour that the Eagles and Oakland are trying to work out a deal. It looked something like McNabb, Samuel and pick #24 for Asomugha and #8.

Sounds like BS to me though. If it was true, get that shit done. Take Berry with the 8th. :D


Davis already give up on that tree stump JaMarcus Russell? LOL

Asomugha is gonna be costly for the Eagles if it happens. He has a big contract and ,I think, one more year on his current contract.



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Chrisstlouis wrote: When did heĀ ever?
According to a select few on this board, Vick was/is the best thing since sliced Bread. These same people also said that JaMarcus Russell was going to be a Stud in the NFL.


Not going to be...they said Jamarcus was already a stud.



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BayouBoogie wrote: Chrisstlouis wrote: When did he ever? Vick was winning like crazy and carrying mediocre falcon teams in his first few seasons. That is a fact.  I don't necessarily like the guy, but he was a dynamic player that was winning games for a while.  Most I know feared him when they would play the Saints, and for good reason.  Of course, those days are long gone.





Vick's starting seasons:

2002:  9-6-1, lost in divisional playoff round
2004:  11-5, lost in NFC Championship Game
2005:  8-8, no playoffs
2006:  7-9, no playoffs

Getting to the playoffs twice with the Falcons in three years is a nice feat, and one that Matt Ryan should accomplish soon, if not in the 2010 season.  "Winning like crazy" is a bit of a stretch though, and the trajectory of the team is clearly downward over this stretch.  I don't like Vick, and don't make any bones about that.  He was, for a while, a uniquely talented player for his position, but was never an elite quarterback.  He made many highlight plays, but wasn't an elite passer and didn't look to be on track to become one.

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tofu_chipmunk wrote: BayouBoogie wrote: Chrisstlouis wrote: When did he ever? Vick was winning like crazy and carrying mediocre falcon teams in his first few seasons. That is a fact.  I don't necessarily like the guy, but he was a dynamic player that was winning games for a while.  Most I know feared him when they would play the Saints, and for good reason.  Of course, those days are long gone.





Vick's starting seasons:

2002:  9-6-1, lost in divisional playoff round
2004:  11-5, lost in NFC Championship Game
2005:  8-8, no playoffs
2006:  7-9, no playoffs

Getting to the playoffs twice with the Falcons in three years is a nice feat, and one that Matt Ryan should accomplish soon, if not in the 2010 season.  "Winning like crazy" is a bit of a stretch though, and the trajectory of the team is clearly downward over this stretch.  I don't like Vick, and don't make any bones about that.  He was, for a while, a uniquely talented player for his position, but was never an elite quarterback.  He made many highlight plays, but wasn't an elite passer and didn't look to be on track to become one.


He was out with injury for some of those losses in the early seasons.  They were winning when he was in and he took a crap team to the NFC championship game.  Try looking up the difference in the Falcons performance when he was in and when he was out. It was major.  The 8-8 season is when Mora inexplicably tried to change the offense that was working.

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He missed one game in the 2002 and 2004 seasons.  He missed a ton of games in the 2003 season, and I didn't include that one because it wouldn't be fair to pin any of a dreadful 5-11 season on him.  Were the Falcons better with Vick than without him from 2002-2004?  Without a doubt.  They were very mediocre with him in 2005 and 2006.

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tofu_chipmunk wrote: He missed one game in the 2002 and 2004 seasons.  He missed a ton of games in the 2003 season, and I didn't include that one because it wouldn't be fair to pin any of a dreadful 5-11 season on him.  Were the Falcons better with Vick than without him from 2002-2004?  Without a doubt.  They were very mediocre with him in 2005 and 2006.

He was 22-11-1 with a trip to the NFC Championship and a mediocre team.  And I already said he went down after those first few years, but 22-11-1 with that Falcon team they had at that time is very good.

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