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Found it:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1136929/index.htm

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Fontes killed Ware, Kramer, and Peete. Harrington was surrounded by shit, but everyone thought he was surrounded by stars. That was the biggest knock on the guy. Then when he was gone everyone found out Williams, Williams, Rogers, and Jones sucked. To be fair, everyone knew the O-line sucked.



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McNabb update. Redskins & Eagles apparently have talked about Players & or Draft Picks. The Skins want McNabb in a BIG way, stay tuned.........



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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: McNabb update. Redskins & Eagles apparently have talked about Players & or Draft Picks. The Skins want McNabb in a BIG way, stay tuned.........
This is exactly the dumb kind of thing (trading within the division) that they would do. And then be arrogant about it like they know something nobody else knows.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stingmark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote:  god in some fans eyes in Detroit.......

They blame McNabb, and rightly so, for choking in the big games. He doesn't show up when it matters. Eagles fans want championships, not just playoff appearances.


What "big games" hasn't he stepped up in exactly? he's taken you farther any other Eagles QB in the history of the franchise. He's "stepped up" in alot of those games...other players have not. I agree with another poster...Reid's a major problem for them. And they're dead on: Mcnabb leaves...goodbye to your Eagles being any sort of good for the next 3-5 years, possibly longer.

Keep this in mind: If Kolb were any good, he'd have been the starter already, and not stuck behind Vick.

Psst.... Kolb is the # 2 QB.  McNabb has been in 5 NFC championship games and have won 1. He has played shall I'll say" not so good" in these games, and I'm saying this as a McNabb fan.  When the pressure mounts, He hasn't come up big at all. His Interception to TD rate goes way up as well.

Psst...again, what games hasn't he stepped up in exactly? w/o him, you wouldnt have even made it to 1 NFC title game, nor that SB appearance?



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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stingmark wrote: C.C. Milani wrote: I hate to tell you this Bud, but 11-5 is a lot more fun than 6-10. Giving up McNabb for a 2nd isn't going to help your d-line immediately, if at all.

In this case sports mirrors real life, where the worst decisions are born out of frustration.


Very good point.

I'll also say....they've needed a RELIABLE rb and wr's for years now....and yet, no matter what happens, it's always McNabb's fault somehow? I found that fascinating. Westbrook is garbage, and has been for some time. Which is why, so many teams have passed on him, and he's still a FA(I believe). Plus, I cant name one of their WR's, can you?

 

No running game. no wr's,no defense....yep, it's McNabbs fault.

Do You even watch Football? Westbrook CARRIED that team for several years, that's why He's " garbage" now.He was the main threat on that team not McNabb. He got so beat up from all of the punishment that He's taken over the years, He became injury prone. Sometimes I wonder if You are KK18 the Second.

He has? through all of his concussions? he himself has carried the entire team to 5 NFC titles, and a SB? He's done so much for them, they've released him, and another team has yet to pick him up.



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DaNkinator wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stingmark wrote: C.C. Milani wrote: I hate to tell you this Bud, but 11-5 is a lot more fun than 6-10. Giving up McNabb for a 2nd isn't going to help your d-line immediately, if at all.

In this case sports mirrors real life, where the worst decisions are born out of frustration.


Very good point.

I'll also say....they've needed a RELIABLE rb and wr's for years now....and yet, no matter what happens, it's always McNabb's fault somehow? I found that fascinating. Westbrook is garbage, and has been for some time. Which is why, so many teams have passed on him, and he's still a FA(I believe). Plus, I cant name one of their WR's, can you?

 

No running game. no wr's,no defense....yep, it's McNabbs fault.

Do You even watch Football? Westbrook CARRIED that team for several years, that's why He's " garbage" now.He was the main threat on that team not McNabb. He got so beat up from all of the punishment that He's taken over the years, He became injury prone. Sometimes I wonder if You are KK18 the Second.

Yeah, I have to agree here and wonder if you even watch any other team besides those shitty Lions of yours that you think someone like Westbrook is garbage?

You couldn't be any more wrong.  Was he elite?  No.  Was he a lot better than average?  Hell yes he was.

But because they depended on the running game so much because of his ability to deliver, he took a shit load of punishment and has had numerous concussions.

Seriously dude, educate yourself at least a little bit before spouting off the ridiculous shit you're posting...


Im not saying then...Im  saying he's garbage now......or, he'd still be there? and wouldnt still be available on the FA market? Now? he's garbage, as he's been injured way too much. No question he's been an integral part of the Iggles for some time.



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freebirdsforever2001 wrote:
I know that the Lions have won Championships , but the statement was the last 30 Years. I did forget about the Lions 91 NFC Championship appearance. My apologies.


No worries. I dont forget(trust me)...one of the greatest years of my life.:D

Like I said earlier: dont bitch when McNabb's gone, and your davior Kolb can't even get you to the Playoffs, or nowhere near as far(or farther) than McNabb.



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The Ultimate Sin wrote: Fontes killed Ware, Kramer, and Peete. Harrington was surrounded by shit, but everyone thought he was surrounded by stars. That was the biggest knock on the guy. Then when he was gone everyone found out Williams, Williams, Rogers, and Jones sucked. To be fair, everyone knew the O-line sucked.

Best of the bunch.. I totally agree. I said, he was surrounded by GARBAGE his entire tenure in Detroit. By the time  Matt Moron/Rod decided to try to fix it, so he could actually be decent? he was a memory, and complete garbage by then.

Call me crazy, but if your #1 weapon is (garbage) Az Hakim as WR(an at best 5th wr on any other team, not named Detroit), you're in SERIOUS trouble. The Rams didnt think he was vg either, which is why he couldnt crack their top 3 WR's every week.

Matt Moron thought enough of him, to sign him to some ridiculous contract, we couldnt gte out of, so he stayed here and stunk up the palce, as only garbage can.



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Mike Furrey was their best reciever a couple years ago and he was a safety for the Rams.



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stingmark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stingmark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote:  god in some fans eyes in Detroit.......

They blame McNabb, and rightly so, for choking in the big games. He doesn't show up when it matters. Eagles fans want championships, not just playoff appearances.


What "big games" hasn't he stepped up in exactly? he's taken you farther any other Eagles QB in the history of the franchise. He's "stepped up" in alot of those games...other players have not. I agree with another poster...Reid's a major problem for them. And they're dead on: Mcnabb leaves...goodbye to your Eagles being any sort of good for the next 3-5 years, possibly longer.

Keep this in mind: If Kolb were any good, he'd have been the starter already, and not stuck behind Vick.

Psst.... Kolb is the # 2 QB.  McNabb has been in 5 NFC championship games and have won 1. He has played shall I'll say" not so good" in these games, and I'm saying this as a McNabb fan.  When the pressure mounts, He hasn't come up big at all. His Interception to TD rate goes way up as well.

Psst...again, what games hasn't he stepped up in exactly? w/o him, you wouldnt have even made it to 1 NFC title game, nor that SB appearance?


http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McNaDo00_playoffs.htm

He's played 16 Playoff Games with a record of  9-7

His stats overall in these games:   341/577  3752 yards  24TD 17INT 59.1% 80 QB Rating.

If You see these stats, You would think that They are pretty good, but His Career Int's go way up in the post season compared to His regular season stats. He got ALOT of these Yards in " Prevent Defense" mode. I know this because I have watched every single Eagles game since McNabb has became an Eagle. In 2 of the NFC Championship games at home against Tampa & Carolina, He was downright horrible. The Arizona game He played great, the Atlanta game They were ahead the whole game, so He didn't pass alot, and The Rams game, They had a very conserative Offensive game plan, and He still was under 50% completion rating. In the Super Bowl, He played decent and had " big" numbers, but still had 3INT's with those 3TD's

His numbers might look good, unless You watch every play of every game ( like most Eagles fans do).  When the pressure is on, He seems to shrink and disappear when You need Him the most. Eagle fans are tired of it ( even Fans like myself who has been an McNabb backer since day 1) and think it's time to move on.



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stingmark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stingmark wrote: C.C. Milani wrote: I hate to tell you this Bud, but 11-5 is a lot more fun than 6-10. Giving up McNabb for a 2nd isn't going to help your d-line immediately, if at all.

In this case sports mirrors real life, where the worst decisions are born out of frustration.


Very good point.

I'll also say....they've needed a RELIABLE rb and wr's for years now....and yet, no matter what happens, it's always McNabb's fault somehow? I found that fascinating. Westbrook is garbage, and has been for some time. Which is why, so many teams have passed on him, and he's still a FA(I believe). Plus, I cant name one of their WR's, can you?

 

No running game. no wr's,no defense....yep, it's McNabbs fault.

Do You even watch Football? Westbrook CARRIED that team for several years, that's why He's " garbage" now.He was the main threat on that team not McNabb. He got so beat up from all of the punishment that He's taken over the years, He became injury prone. Sometimes I wonder if You are KK18 the Second.

He has? through all of his concussions? he himself has carried the entire team to 5 NFC titles, and a SB? He's done so much for them, they've released him, and another team has yet to pick him up.

You would pick up a 30+ Running Back with Concussion problems the First day He was released due to Them? I know that You aren't that stupid. If You asked ANY Defensive Coordinator during the time Westbrook was an Eagle, until last year, He was the most feared Offensive weapon that They have. This alone proves that You don't watch Football because if You did, You would hear all of the Announcers say this during every broadcast.  Westbrook wasn't a factor during the First NFC Championship season, due to Him being basically a Rookie.



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stingmark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote:
I know that the Lions have won Championships , but the statement was the last 30 Years. I did forget about the Lions 91 NFC Championship appearance. My apologies.


No worries. I dont forget(trust me)...one of the greatest years of my life.:D

Like I said earlier: dont bitch when McNabb's gone, and your davior Kolb can't even get you to the Playoffs, or nowhere near as far(or farther) than McNabb.

* Sigh * I'm NOT a big fan of Kolb, and I'm NOT convinced that He's the/or a answer. I've never said that I was a fan of Kolb's. The Eagles have gotten as far as They will with McNabb, and it's time to get Younger, and to move foward and re-build.



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beejmi wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: McNabb update. Redskins & Eagles apparently have talked about Players & or Draft Picks. The Skins want McNabb in a BIG way, stay tuned.........
This is exactly the dumb kind of thing (trading within the division) that they would do. And then be arrogant about it like they know something nobody else knows.

Beej, say if the Eagles can get somehow, the Redskins First Round pick from Them ( since Synder LOVES McNabb and will do ANYTHING to get Him), wouldn't You just pull the trigger and do the deal? Really, Who's worried about the Redskins? The Eagles can do ALOT of damage in this Draft.



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freebirdsforever2001 wrote:
Beej, say if the Eagles can get somehow, the Redskins First Round pick from Them ( since Synder LOVES McNabb and will do ANYTHING to get Him), wouldn't You just pull the trigger and do the deal? Really, Who's worried about the Redskins? The Eagles can do ALOT of damage in this Draft.


 

In 2007 Philly dealt their first round pick ( #26) to Dallas and they selected Anthony Spencer. Philly acted like it was "nothing" etc, etc. Spencer was all over McNabb the last two games of 2009. I guess the jury is still out because Philly picked up Kolb and Stewart Bradley through the switch and picks they obtained from Dallas but as of this moment Dallas got "something" and we're still trying to figure out what we got out of it.

I'm not a big fan of "just assuming the players we need  and the positions we need will be there for us" when we draft. To me the draft is a crap-shoot and I hate dealing a "known" quantity for an "unknown" quantity.

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