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 Posted: Mon Mar 7th, 2011 04:26 pm
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beejmi wrote: nyhack56 wrote:

In order to be like that, a team would have to show character and grit first, 2 things the Heat have not shown.

No character or "grit" ever during the NBA regular season. Just no point to it.


Exactly, if you think you can continue to play close games with Miami in a seven game series you will lose, i mean the Celtics are the only team that can beat Miami in a seven game series, no other team can do it, no offense to the Bulls but the Bulls will lose to the Knicks if they played them in the first rd, and Orlando is only dangerous when those threes are raining down.

 

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 Posted: Mon Mar 7th, 2011 04:34 pm
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beejmi wrote: nyhack56 wrote:

In order to be like that, a team would have to show character and grit first, 2 things the Heat have not shown.

No character or "grit" ever during the NBA regular season. Just no point to it.


I disagree.  You have to have character to go on the road and get those "grind it out" wins, or nut up and beat a good team to stop a 3 game losing streak.

The Bulls have shown it a lot this year.  As a Knicks fan and staunch Amare supporter, I fully believe Derrick Rose deserves to be MVP for this reason alone.

The Heat have not shown it at all this year.  0-7 vs. the top 3 teams in the East, and like 2-9 or something against the power teams in the league (.700 or better).



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 Posted: Mon Mar 7th, 2011 05:01 pm
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Eh with the "grind it out" cliches. The playoffs start and everyone is 0-0

The team that has a poor record vs Boston (or whoever) has tons of video to study to see how to adjust.

Apples and oranges (football and basketball) but notice that green bay won the Super Bowl despite having lost to Chicago and Atlanta earlier in the year 9beat them in the playoffs) and then beat the Steelers in the Super Bowl (lost to them late last year)

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krazykid18 wrote:
beejmi wrote: nyhack56 wrote:

In order to be like that, a team would have to show character and grit first, 2 things the Heat have not shown.

No character or "grit" ever during the NBA regular season. Just no point to it.


Exactly, if you think you can continue to play close games with Miami in a seven game series you will lose, i mean the Celtics are the only team that can beat Miami in a seven game series, no other team can do it, no offense to the Bulls but the Bulls will lose to the Knicks if they played them in the first rd, and Orlando is only dangerous when those threes are raining down.

 


Oh horseshit. The Heat can't seem to find their identity in the half court, and in the playoffs when teams actually try to play defense the games are 90% half court set. The Heat can't contend with the leagues top teams. They are much like the Phoenix Suns teams a few years ago. They just aren't built for a playoff run. (Truly I think they are built for it, but for whatever reason can't figure out how to do it. Poor coaching or unwillingness to adapt? Both?)



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nyhack56 wrote: beejmi wrote: Married Jo wrote: BTW, some of the Heat were bawling in the locker room after the game...lol...

Watch it. Things like this teams turn it around and then look back at and say "Well it was this loss here and we got everything out in the open..." as they hoist the trophy

In order to be like that, a team would have to show character and grit first, 2 things the Heat have not shown.

So how long before Spo is fired & Riley takes over ?

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lobo316 wrote:
nyhack56 wrote: beejmi wrote: Married Jo wrote: BTW, some of the Heat were bawling in the locker room after the game...lol...

Watch it. Things like this teams turn it around and then look back at and say "Well it was this loss here and we got everything out in the open..." as they hoist the trophy

In order to be like that, a team would have to show character and grit first, 2 things the Heat have not shown.

So how long before Spo is fired & Riley takes over ?


People were saying it's too late to do that this season, but why not?



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Okay,

You guys know I don't watch much sports but I do read about the different leagues here.  Would it be safe to say that the team all the media were hyping as being unstoppable when the "big three" got together has pretty much shit the bed?



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gwlee7 wrote: Okay,

You guys know I don't watch much sports but I do read about the different leagues here.  Would it be safe to say that the team all the media were hyping as being unstoppable when the "big three" got together has pretty much shit the bed?


It was over-hyped from the start. It couldn't help but shit the bed based on everyone sucking their cock before a game was even played.

They are a good team, with a real chance to win it all this year and probably for several more years.



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How good of chance do you think they honestly have if they're struggling against teams with winning records?

They could get hot in the playoffs for sure but, would you bet on them to go the distance?



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This year's Heat team reminds of that squad the Lakers had when Gary Peyton and Carl Malone signed as free agents, for some reason the sum of the whole is less than the value of its' parts.  They play awful perimeter defense and as long as James continues to get the sets for game winning shots instead of Wade, that team will never do well in close games.



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gwlee7 wrote: How good of chance do you think they honestly have if they're struggling against teams with winning records?

They could get hot in the playoffs for sure but, would you bet on them to go the distance?


I don't pretend to know as much about basketball as I do about other sports, but I think any team with three big-time players up front could get hot at exactly the right time and run the table.

They aren't the only NBA team with the potential to do this, of course, but I wouldn't consider it foolish to bet on them to win it all.

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thunderbolt wrote: This year's Heat team reminds of that squad the Lakers had when Gary Peyton and Carl Malone signed as free agents, for some reason the sum of the whole is less than the value of its' parts.  They play awful perimeter defense and as long as James continues to get the sets for game winning shots instead of Wade, that team will never do well in close games.

Years ago, Atlanta signed Moses Malone and Reggie Theus at the end of their respective careers.



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gwlee7 wrote: How good of chance do you think they honestly have if they're struggling against teams with winning records?

They could get hot in the playoffs for sure but, would you bet on them to go the distance?

I would bet they end up at least in the conference finals. People over-react because of ESPN. A four game losing streak is part of the flow of the season. Under .500 vs winning teams - so what - even teams above .500 are under .500 vs winning teams (it is just how the numbers work)

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beejmi wrote:
gwlee7 wrote: How good of chance do you think they honestly have if they're struggling against teams with winning records?

They could get hot in the playoffs for sure but, would you bet on them to go the distance?

I would bet they end up at least in the conference finals. People over-react because of ESPN. A four game losing streak is part of the flow of the season. Under .500 vs winning teams - so what - even teams above .500 are under .500 vs winning teams (it is just how the numbers work)


This season was the 1st time in years the Lakers had losing streak that long. Some championship caliber teams go years without even experiencing a 3 game losing streak. Miami is definitely in trouble and could still win but I doubt it. Then again Phil Jackson will be free next year.



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beejmi wrote: gwlee7 wrote: How good of chance do you think they honestly have if they're struggling against teams with winning records?

They could get hot in the playoffs for sure but, would you bet on them to go the distance?

I would bet they end up at least in the conference finals. People over-react because of ESPN. A four game losing streak is part of the flow of the season. Under .500 vs winning teams - so what - even teams above .500 are under .500 vs winning teams (it is just how the numbers work)


just checked espn.com:

vs Teams over .500

San Antonio 27-11
Dallas 27-12
Boston 23-10
Lakers 23-13
Chicago 21-12
New Orleans 20-19
Oklahoma City 20-20

Miami 15-18


By comparison

Orlando 14-17
Memphis 19-22
76ers 14-19
Knicks 15-21


Miami is 28-2 against the sub .500 teams in the league, that is where they've gotten most of their wins this year.  They are ordinary against the better teams in the league.

Again, for those of you who say no grit or character during the regular season, if this team had any character, they'd show they could beat the Celtics on the road, or not blow huge leads to Orlando or the Knicks.  If you don't think that is important come playoff time, to have the ability to say "We can beat these guys, we've done it before" then you are mistaken.

Remember, this is the same Heat team that back in July had all the fireworks, the bragging about "One championship? We're going to win 5 or 6."  They put the target on their back.  The pressure they are under to win is self-imposed.  If you are going to do that, you better have the character to back it up, and so far, the Heat haven't.



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