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http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_711752.html



Terrell Suggs can’t bring himself to feel bad for anybody who plays for the Steelers, but the Pro Bowl linebacker for the Baltimore Ravens can’t help but feel that James Harrison is getting a raw deal from the NFL.

Suggs said during today’s conference call with the Pittsburgh media that there has been injustice with Harrison when it comes to being fined by the league.

“Your guy over there, 92, I think he is red-flagged,” Suggs said. “The referees are kind of looking for him. Even if he breathes on a quarterback wrong, he might get a flag."



Then he further speaks out on what everybody knows to be the truth but is usually afraid to say



Suggs also went on to say that quarterbacks like New England’s Tom Brady and Indianapolis’ Peyton Manning get preferential treatment over other quarterbacks in the league.

“The league has their favorites,” Suggs said. “One being in Indy and one being with that other team up north. Besides those two, everybody is fair game. Some quarterbacks are getting the calls right away. Some quarterbacks they don’t care.

"Like I always said, Carson Palmer got hit in his knee in 2005 but there was no rule made. Then Tom Brady got hit in his knee and all of a sudden there is a rule and possible suspensions, excessive fines — it’s just getting ridiculous.”



Never ever did i think I would give massive props to a ratbird,especially that one in particular,but I have to say it:Well said Suggs,well said indeed.


 

 



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I like what Harrison is doing myself, he is making clean hits and going on about his business not changing a thing, and paying his fines.

If I were him, I would pull a Jordan and simply go to the NFL offices with a checkbook full of filled out and signed checks(minus the amount) and say "here is enough checks to cover the rest of the season, and just announce the amounts and fill in the checks and call me with the check number so I can fill it in my balance"

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Wow.

I guess it's all about perception, but I've watched the videos with Harrison numerous times and all of them other than the hit on Cribbs were helmet to helmet and flagrant at that.

Harrison is a scumbag piece of shit just like his QB.

It's going to be hella karma when he hits someone like that and breaks his own neck and ends up eating out of a straw. 

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katook wrote:

Suggs also went on to say that quarterbacks like New England’s Tom Brady and Indianapolis’ Peyton Manning get preferential treatment over other quarterbacks in the league.

“The league has their favorites,” Suggs said. “One being in Indy and one being with that other team up north. Besides those two, everybody is fair game. Some quarterbacks are getting the calls right away. Some quarterbacks they don’t care.

"Like I always said, Carson Palmer got hit in his knee in 2005 but there was no rule made. Then Tom Brady got hit in his knee and all of a sudden there is a rule and possible suspensions, excessive fines — it’s just getting ridiculous.”



Well, no shit.  Brady and Manning are the two most marketable athletes in the entire NFL.  If they go down, the NFL loses a ton of revenue from a marketabilily standpoint.  It would be like if an at-his-peak Steve Austin got his neck broken by a piledriver, and then suddenly the WWF began outlawing moves that dropped you on your head.

Oh wait, that actually happened, didn't it?

It's funny, because I remember talking about the rule changes when they happened on this very board and saying it was in direct response to the Brady knee injury.  Virtually everybody that responded said I was a hopeless homer and was full of shit.  It's good to see that at least Terell Suggs agrees with me.

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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: katook wrote:

Suggs also went on to say that quarterbacks like New England’s Tom Brady and Indianapolis’ Peyton Manning get preferential treatment over other quarterbacks in the league.

“The league has their favorites,” Suggs said. “One being in Indy and one being with that other team up north. Besides those two, everybody is fair game. Some quarterbacks are getting the calls right away. Some quarterbacks they don’t care.

"Like I always said, Carson Palmer got hit in his knee in 2005 but there was no rule made. Then Tom Brady got hit in his knee and all of a sudden there is a rule and possible suspensions, excessive fines — it’s just getting ridiculous.”



Well, no shit.  Brady and Manning are the two most marketable athletes in the entire NFL.  If they go down, the NFL loses a ton of revenue from a marketabilily standpoint.  It would be like if an at-his-peak Steve Austin got his neck broken by a piledriver, and then suddenly the WWF began outlawing moves that dropped you on your head.

Oh wait, that actually happened, didn't it?

It's funny, because I remember talking about the rule changes when they happened on this very board and saying it was in direct response to the Brady knee injury.  Virtually everybody that responded said I was a hopeless homer and was full of shit.  It's good to see that at least Terell Suggs agrees with me.

?? I thought it was common knowledge that these rules changes were brought on in large part by the brady injury.

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BayouBoogie wrote: dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: katook wrote:

Suggs also went on to say that quarterbacks like New England’s Tom Brady and Indianapolis’ Peyton Manning get preferential treatment over other quarterbacks in the league.

“The league has their favorites,” Suggs said. “One being in Indy and one being with that other team up north. Besides those two, everybody is fair game. Some quarterbacks are getting the calls right away. Some quarterbacks they don’t care.

"Like I always said, Carson Palmer got hit in his knee in 2005 but there was no rule made. Then Tom Brady got hit in his knee and all of a sudden there is a rule and possible suspensions, excessive fines — it’s just getting ridiculous.”



Well, no shit.  Brady and Manning are the two most marketable athletes in the entire NFL.  If they go down, the NFL loses a ton of revenue from a marketabilily standpoint.  It would be like if an at-his-peak Steve Austin got his neck broken by a piledriver, and then suddenly the WWF began outlawing moves that dropped you on your head.

Oh wait, that actually happened, didn't it?

It's funny, because I remember talking about the rule changes when they happened on this very board and saying it was in direct response to the Brady knee injury.  Virtually everybody that responded said I was a hopeless homer and was full of shit.  It's good to see that at least Terell Suggs agrees with me.

?? I thought it was common knowledge that these rules changes were brought on in large part by the brady injury.

...or maybe the disagreement was that the NFL didn't lose any revenue when Brady went down.  I think that might've been it.  I just did a quick search for that thread, but I can't find it.



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DaNkinator wrote: Wow.

I guess it's all about perception, but I've watched the videos with Harrison numerous times and all of them other than the hit on Cribbs were helmet to helmet and flagrant at that.

Harrison is a scumbag piece of shit just like his QB.

It's going to be hella karma when he hits someone like that and breaks his own neck and ends up eating out of a straw. 


Yeah, the hit on Campbell when he did not him with any part of the helment but landed on him with full body weight.  You have not watched all of these hits on video. He was not fined on it, but that flag was thrown so the refs could cover their asses.  They just want to throw yellow to cover themselves because the NFL may want to tally up more fines.

Flagrant?  Okay.

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Hines speakin' from the pulpit:

 

"The league doesn't care about us anyway. They don't care about the safety of the game. If the league was so concerned about the safety, why are you adding two more games on? You talk about you don't want players to drink ... and all you see is beer commercials. You don't want us to gamble, but then there are [NFL-endorsed lottery scratch-off games].

"[The illegal-hit penalties are] going to change the outcome; somebody's going to lose a game because of it. It's going to be a huge play in a playoff game, somebody's going to hit a quarterback or do something and the referee is going to be too scared to call it. So he's going to call it anyway so he can save his tail. He may not even get fined or not, but it will come down to the outcome of a ballgame."



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And did he draw either a fine for that?  No.

Nice try homer.

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mike3775 wrote: I like what Harrison is doing myself, he is making clean hits and going on about his business not changing a thing, and paying his fines.

Yeah, and in the meantime, he's costing his team 15-yard penalties. Not smart.

They changed the rules. You can't do what you used to do. You have to adapt. Most players have. What's the big deal?

The hit on Sunday against Buffalo, he clearly led with his helmet. That's against the rule. When I saw it live, I knew a flag was coming.

"This is the way I've always played" doesn't make it. The rules are different.

 

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DaNkinator wrote: And did he draw either a fine for that?  No.

Nice try homer.

I am a homer, but your response is not even worth the time just judging by your stupid ass wit.  Sounds more like a little jealousy.

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TerryWWWF wrote: mike3775 wrote: I like what Harrison is doing myself, he is making clean hits and going on about his business not changing a thing, and paying his fines.

Yeah, and in the meantime, he's costing his team 15-yard penalties. Not smart.

They changed the rules. You can't do what you used to do. You have to adapt. Most players have. What's the big deal?

The hit on Sunday against Buffalo, he clearly led with his helmet. That's against the rule. When I saw it live, I knew a flag was coming.

"This is the way I've always played" doesn't make it. The rules are different.

 
I watched some of his hits and know what I noticed?  The offensive player also LOWERED HIS HELMET.  Funny, how one side can lower their head to avoid a tackle, yet if a defensive player hits said helmet, its called on the Defense EVERY TIME.  Name on OFFENSIVE helmet to helmet hit that has been called since the rule change.  i'll save you the time, there has yet to be one.

Until the NFL starts calling helmet to helmets on both sides, it is bullshit what they are doing.  When the NFL starts costing Offenses 15 yd penalties as well, things are not going to change and helmet to helmet hits are going to keep occurring

Its not even just the NFL with that, a week or two ago in the Harvard/Yale game, a defensive player was nailed with a 15 yrd penalty for helmet to helmet, when he went to hit the receiver in the chest, yet the receiver LOWERED his head, which led to helmet to helmet, and was the offense penalized?  Nope, even though the offensive player caused it, the defense got the bullshit penalty

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Uh huh. You know what's even funnier? James Harrison is the player who is getting fined more than anyone else. Take all the tackles that are made in a typical NFL weekend, and very few of them draw penalties. Even fewer draw extra scrutiny by the league. And in that increasingly small number, a disproportionate number of the fines are being assessed against James Harrison.

A smart person would think, "I'm doing something wrong." James Harrison thinks, "They're out to get ME."

(And I'm thinking Harvard-Yale has little to do with any discussion of NFL officiating).

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They cannot even give you clear definition.  Different refs are interpeting different definitons of the rule. 

mike, you are correct, and the video does not lie, many offensive players are crouching expecting the hit or going into a defensive stance, thus lowering their shoulder and putting their head/helmet in the line of impact. 

This is all horseshit, and people with a sports mind can foresee how this will change the game as they know it. 

How in the hell do you even tackle a NFL QB anymore?  No shot to the knees.  No shot to the head.  No tackle in which you could possibly land on them.  If you push them, then you are intentionally throwing them down.  What the hell is up with all of this?

The rule with the helmet-to-helmet did not change this year. 



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TerryWWWF wrote: Uh huh. You know what's even funnier? James Harrison is the player who is getting fined more than anyone else. Take all the tackles that are made in a typical NFL weekend, and very few of them draw penalties. Even fewer draw extra scrutiny by the league. And in that increasingly small number, a disproportionate number of the fines are being assessed against James Harrison.

A smart person would think, "I'm doing something wrong." James Harrison thinks, "They're out to get ME."

(And I'm thinking Harvard-Yale has little to do with any discussion of NFL officiating).



I agree with you.  He has spoken up and put himself out there in the spotlight for the league officials.  Even though I agree with you 100% with that assertion, it still does not shed a good image on the NFL to be in the business of the seeking out specific players to make an example out of them, because they have a different opinion or perspective of this change in administering discipline. 

I have no problem if there is a clear definition of what has changed or is changing.  I also have no problem of applying these rules across the board, and the NFL is going to dissect each and every game to look for helmet-to-helmet hits.  Hey, many people were perplexed by the hit on Ward a few weeks ago.  This is not a homer comment as much as it something that I know, because I saw it.  You had all the criteria met for a helmet-to-helmet hit, but there was no fines, warnings or such.  I am sure this is going on in all of the games, because I have seen it in many games this past weekend. 

This random enforcement is going to bite the NFL in the ass, when it comes back to them that it cost a team the game.  This will be the new pass interference only worse. 



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