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Quattro wrote: http://lsu.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1175149

Miles is staying at LSU supposedly

LOL Michigan doesn't want him.  He was reportedly telling people yesterday that he would take the job if it was offered to him.  Looks to me like he wants that job so bad, but they know him too well to offer it to him.

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That has been asked twice in this thread.  It is a long, complicated look into crazy sports fans unreasonable expectations.

Honestly, the reason is the LSU fans have never totally embraced Les.  The lunatic fringe loved Saban and then he totally broke their hearts by leaving to go to the pros.  That was compounded by him returning to go to Bama.  These people now hate Saban with a passion.  To the point where it is overboard.  They will not admit it, but Nick was a hell of a coach, recruiter, etc.  Whether you like him or not he is a damn good college football coach.  And LSU has one of the most rabidly loyal fanbases in the country.  LSU has a good tradition and had historically been a solid football program in the 50s, 60's and 70s though the fans here perceived them to have greater national importance and to be better than what they actually were.

Enter the 1980's Mike Archer became coach and at the end of his tenure the wheels were coming off.  LSU then tried Curly  Hallman who killed the program deader than dead.  Gerry Dinardo became coach and actually had some success re-establishing the program in his first 2 or 3 years (LSU fans will not admit this either for some reason) but the wheels came off with him at the end.  Then came in Saban.  He was fairly unknown...he had no national prominance. LSU fans thought they were going to get a "big" name coach at the time.  They always do.  Hell they think the ghost of Bill Walsh is going to descend from the heavens just for the opportunity to coach LSU.

But Saban quickly won them over, when it became clear he was really, really good.  Then it became clear after a couple of years that Saban could possibly be the best college coach in the country.  They had found their man.  Finally he was here.  Then rumors would pop up about the NFL and after 5 years or so he left.  The LSU fans thought he was there forever.    They really felt betrayed.

That betrayal was compounded by the arrival of good ole Les, eating grass, cussing like a sailor, and making some of the stupidest calls known to man.  The exact opposite of the cool calculating professional image of Nick Saban.  He's been here just as long or longer but they just have never totally took to him.  And never will.  Honestly no one can figure out if he is the Mad Hatter genius type the media plays up or if he is just the village idiot with a damn lucky streak that has to even out at some point.  That is the dilemma for Les.

Sorry for the dissertation.




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BayouBoogie wrote: Quattro wrote: http://lsu.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1175149

Miles is staying at LSU supposedly

LOL Michigan doesn't want him.  He was reportedly telling people yesterday that he would take the job if it was offered to him.  Looks to me like he wants that job so bad, but they know him too well to offer it to him.
Michigan was smart as Bayou can probably tell you.

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Quattro wrote: That has been asked twice in this thread.  It is a long, complicated look into crazy sports fans unreasonable expectations.

Honestly, the reason is the LSU fans have never totally embraced Les.  The lunatic fringe loved Saban and then he totally broke their hearts by leaving to go to the pros.  That was compounded by him returning to go to Bama.  These people now hate Saban with a passion.  To the point where it is overboard.  They will not admit it, but Nick was a hell of a coach, recruiter, etc.  Whether you like him or not he is a damn good college football coach.  And LSU has one of the most rabidly loyal fanbases in the country.  LSU has a good tradition and had historically been a solid football program in the 50s, 60's and 70s though the fans here perceived them to have greater national importance and to be better than what they actually were.

Enter the 1980's Mike Archer became coach and at the end of his tenure the wheels were coming off.  LSU then tried Curly  Hallman who killed the program deader than dead.  Gerry Dinardo became coach and actually had some success re-establishing the program in his first 2 or 3 years (LSU fans will not admit this either for some reason) but the wheels came off with him at the end.  Then came in Saban.  He was fairly unknown...he had no national prominance. LSU fans thought they were going to get a "big" name coach at the time.  They always do.  Hell they think the ghost of Bill Walsh is going to descend from the heavens just for the opportunity to coach LSU.

But Saban quickly won them over, when it became clear he was really, really good.  Then it became clear after a couple of years that Saban could possibly be the best college coach in the country.  They had found their man.  Finally he was here.  Then rumors would pop up about the NFL and after 5 years or so he left.  The LSU fans thought he was there forever.    They really felt betrayed.

That betrayal was compounded by the arrival of good ole Les, eating grass, cussing like a sailor, and making some of the stupidest calls known to man.  The exact opposite of the cool calculating professional image of Nick Saban.  He's been here just as long or longer but they just have never totally took to him.  And never will.  Honestly no one can figure out if he is the Mad Hatter genius type the media plays up or if he is just the village idiot with a damn lucky streak that has to even out at some point.  That is the dilemma for Les.

Sorry for the dissertation.





 

I agree with everything you said except the "cussing" part. Saban and his crew (Muschamp and Fisher, specifically) were the meanest, most fired up, cussingest coaches I have EVER seen run a paractice or a sideline during a game. Those dudes were FIERCE and VULGAR as they come.  I saw Jimbo Fisher scream at the top of his lungs to Justin Vincent that he was a "fat pussy" and a "lazy piece of shit" and told him to go fuck himself if he didn't want to work hard at a spring game one year.

But yeah, Saban's public image (he hates press conferences and being in the spotlight) is the exact opposite of Miles (who eats that shit up).

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BayouBoogie wrote: Quattro wrote: That has been asked twice in this thread.  It is a long, complicated look into crazy sports fans unreasonable expectations.

Honestly, the reason is the LSU fans have never totally embraced Les.  The lunatic fringe loved Saban and then he totally broke their hearts by leaving to go to the pros.  That was compounded by him returning to go to Bama.  These people now hate Saban with a passion.  To the point where it is overboard.  They will not admit it, but Nick was a hell of a coach, recruiter, etc.  Whether you like him or not he is a damn good college football coach.  And LSU has one of the most rabidly loyal fanbases in the country.  LSU has a good tradition and had historically been a solid football program in the 50s, 60's and 70s though the fans here perceived them to have greater national importance and to be better than what they actually were.

Enter the 1980's Mike Archer became coach and at the end of his tenure the wheels were coming off.  LSU then tried Curly  Hallman who killed the program deader than dead.  Gerry Dinardo became coach and actually had some success re-establishing the program in his first 2 or 3 years (LSU fans will not admit this either for some reason) but the wheels came off with him at the end.  Then came in Saban.  He was fairly unknown...he had no national prominance. LSU fans thought they were going to get a "big" name coach at the time.  They always do.  Hell they think the ghost of Bill Walsh is going to descend from the heavens just for the opportunity to coach LSU.

But Saban quickly won them over, when it became clear he was really, really good.  Then it became clear after a couple of years that Saban could possibly be the best college coach in the country.  They had found their man.  Finally he was here.  Then rumors would pop up about the NFL and after 5 years or so he left.  The LSU fans thought he was there forever.    They really felt betrayed.

That betrayal was compounded by the arrival of good ole Les, eating grass, cussing like a sailor, and making some of the stupidest calls known to man.  The exact opposite of the cool calculating professional image of Nick Saban.  He's been here just as long or longer but they just have never totally took to him.  And never will.  Honestly no one can figure out if he is the Mad Hatter genius type the media plays up or if he is just the village idiot with a damn lucky streak that has to even out at some point.  That is the dilemma for Les.

Sorry for the dissertation.






 

I agree with everything you said except the "cussing" part. Saban and his crew (Muschamp and Fisher, specifically) were the meanest, most fired up, cussingest coaches I have EVER seen run a practice or a sideline during a game. Those dudes were FIERCE and VULGAR as they come.

But yeah, Saban's public image (he hates press conferences and being in the spotlight) is the exact opposite of Miles (who eats that shit up).

 



 
yeah i meant cussing in public at alumni functions and to the media, etc.  Miles drops f-bombs in front of 75 yearolds at a booster function.

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Quattro wrote: BayouBoogie wrote: Quattro wrote: That has been asked twice in this thread.  It is a long, complicated look into crazy sports fans unreasonable expectations.

Honestly, the reason is the LSU fans have never totally embraced Les.  The lunatic fringe loved Saban and then he totally broke their hearts by leaving to go to the pros.  That was compounded by him returning to go to Bama.  These people now hate Saban with a passion.  To the point where it is overboard.  They will not admit it, but Nick was a hell of a coach, recruiter, etc.  Whether you like him or not he is a damn good college football coach.  And LSU has one of the most rabidly loyal fanbases in the country.  LSU has a good tradition and had historically been a solid football program in the 50s, 60's and 70s though the fans here perceived them to have greater national importance and to be better than what they actually were.

Enter the 1980's Mike Archer became coach and at the end of his tenure the wheels were coming off.  LSU then tried Curly  Hallman who killed the program deader than dead.  Gerry Dinardo became coach and actually had some success re-establishing the program in his first 2 or 3 years (LSU fans will not admit this either for some reason) but the wheels came off with him at the end.  Then came in Saban.  He was fairly unknown...he had no national prominance. LSU fans thought they were going to get a "big" name coach at the time.  They always do.  Hell they think the ghost of Bill Walsh is going to descend from the heavens just for the opportunity to coach LSU.

But Saban quickly won them over, when it became clear he was really, really good.  Then it became clear after a couple of years that Saban could possibly be the best college coach in the country.  They had found their man.  Finally he was here.  Then rumors would pop up about the NFL and after 5 years or so he left.  The LSU fans thought he was there forever.    They really felt betrayed.

That betrayal was compounded by the arrival of good ole Les, eating grass, cussing like a sailor, and making some of the stupidest calls known to man.  The exact opposite of the cool calculating professional image of Nick Saban.  He's been here just as long or longer but they just have never totally took to him.  And never will.  Honestly no one can figure out if he is the Mad Hatter genius type the media plays up or if he is just the village idiot with a damn lucky streak that has to even out at some point.  That is the dilemma for Les.

Sorry for the dissertation.






 

I agree with everything you said except the "cussing" part. Saban and his crew (Muschamp and Fisher, specifically) were the meanest, most fired up, cussingest coaches I have EVER seen run a practice or a sideline during a game. Those dudes were FIERCE and VULGAR as they come.

But yeah, Saban's public image (he hates press conferences and being in the spotlight) is the exact opposite of Miles (who eats that shit up).

 



 
yeah i meant cussing in public at alumni functions and to the media, etc.  Miles drops f-bombs in front of 75 yearolds at a booster function.


You are right on that. Also, during games and practices, where Saban and crew rode those players like slave drivers, Miles is much more "laissez faire".

 

Saban always seems like he can't wait to be done with public appearances, whereas Miles wants to be seen and heard and wants to make the highlight reels for his comments and actions.

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Quattro wrote: That has been asked twice in this thread.  It is a long, complicated look into crazy sports fans unreasonable expectations.

Honestly, the reason is the LSU fans have never totally embraced Les.  The lunatic fringe loved Saban and then he totally broke their hearts by leaving to go to the pros.  That was compounded by him returning to go to Bama.  These people now hate Saban with a passion.  To the point where it is overboard.  They will not admit it, but Nick was a hell of a coach, recruiter, etc.  Whether you like him or not he is a damn good college football coach.  And LSU has one of the most rabidly loyal fanbases in the country.  LSU has a good tradition and had historically been a solid football program in the 50s, 60's and 70s though the fans here perceived them to have greater national importance and to be better than what they actually were.

Enter the 1980's Mike Archer became coach and at the end of his tenure the wheels were coming off.  LSU then tried Curly  Hallman who killed the program deader than dead.  Gerry Dinardo became coach and actually had some success re-establishing the program in his first 2 or 3 years (LSU fans will not admit this either for some reason) but the wheels came off with him at the end.  Then came in Saban.  He was fairly unknown...he had no national prominance. LSU fans thought they were going to get a "big" name coach at the time.  They always do.  Hell they think the ghost of Bill Walsh is going to descend from the heavens just for the opportunity to coach LSU.

But Saban quickly won them over, when it became clear he was really, really good.  Then it became clear after a couple of years that Saban could possibly be the best college coach in the country.  They had found their man.  Finally he was here.  Then rumors would pop up about the NFL and after 5 years or so he left.  The LSU fans thought he was there forever.    They really felt betrayed.

That betrayal was compounded by the arrival of good ole Les, eating grass, cussing like a sailor, and making some of the stupidest calls known to man.  The exact opposite of the cool calculating professional image of Nick Saban.  He's been here just as long or longer but they just have never totally took to him.  And never will.  Honestly no one can figure out if he is the Mad Hatter genius type the media plays up or if he is just the village idiot with a damn lucky streak that has to even out at some point.  That is the dilemma for Les.

Sorry for the dissertation.




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Les may be a village idiot, but he did bring them a national championship, which is an accomplishment in itself, even though the BCS assisted him in that aspect(much like Auburn last night)

I know I would not have a problem if Purdue, Notre Dame were to bring him in, his attitude and character are issues, but I really think he has good coaching abilities, just piss poor clock management issues, like he has plays designed to run X amount of time off, and after they run the play, never looks at the clock to see if his time was right.

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mike3775 wrote: Quattro wrote: That has been asked twice in this thread.  It is a long, complicated look into crazy sports fans unreasonable expectations.

Honestly, the reason is the LSU fans have never totally embraced Les.  The lunatic fringe loved Saban and then he totally broke their hearts by leaving to go to the pros.  That was compounded by him returning to go to Bama.  These people now hate Saban with a passion.  To the point where it is overboard.  They will not admit it, but Nick was a hell of a coach, recruiter, etc.  Whether you like him or not he is a damn good college football coach.  And LSU has one of the most rabidly loyal fanbases in the country.  LSU has a good tradition and had historically been a solid football program in the 50s, 60's and 70s though the fans here perceived them to have greater national importance and to be better than what they actually were.

Enter the 1980's Mike Archer became coach and at the end of his tenure the wheels were coming off.  LSU then tried Curly  Hallman who killed the program deader than dead.  Gerry Dinardo became coach and actually had some success re-establishing the program in his first 2 or 3 years (LSU fans will not admit this either for some reason) but the wheels came off with him at the end.  Then came in Saban.  He was fairly unknown...he had no national prominance. LSU fans thought they were going to get a "big" name coach at the time.  They always do.  Hell they think the ghost of Bill Walsh is going to descend from the heavens just for the opportunity to coach LSU.

But Saban quickly won them over, when it became clear he was really, really good.  Then it became clear after a couple of years that Saban could possibly be the best college coach in the country.  They had found their man.  Finally he was here.  Then rumors would pop up about the NFL and after 5 years or so he left.  The LSU fans thought he was there forever.    They really felt betrayed.

That betrayal was compounded by the arrival of good ole Les, eating grass, cussing like a sailor, and making some of the stupidest calls known to man.  The exact opposite of the cool calculating professional image of Nick Saban.  He's been here just as long or longer but they just have never totally took to him.  And never will.  Honestly no one can figure out if he is the Mad Hatter genius type the media plays up or if he is just the village idiot with a damn lucky streak that has to even out at some point.  That is the dilemma for Les.

Sorry for the dissertation.




gracious for the explanation

Les may be a village idiot, but he did bring them a national championship, which is an accomplishment in itself, even though the BCS assisted him in that aspect(much like Auburn last night)

I know I would not have a problem if Purdue, Notre Dame were to bring him in, his attitude and character are issues, but I really think he has good coaching abilities, just piss poor clock management issues, like he has plays designed to run X amount of time off, and after they run the play, never looks at the clock to see if his time was right.


 

It's not just clock management. It's discipline and focus. His team is among the nation's leaders in penalties every year. Delay of games, because of stupid substitution packages that take forever to run in and out, and disipline penalties like false start and illegal prcedures happen ALL of the time. And he consistently under performs against weaker opponenents (though he usually steps up in the bigger games - unless it's against Arkansas). 


He also loses his cool and goes crazy on the sidelines during tight games. It's not just lack of clock management skills, you can watch him and see he goes haywire and confusion reigns on his sideline during tight moments. then he goes on national TV and outright lies about losing his cool, acting like he had everthing under control, when he was clearly busted on TV acting like it was the end of the world and he had no idea waht to do with himself, jumping and screaming like a clown.
 

LSU led the nation in penalties during that national title run under Miles (the last year with Saban guys on the team), most of which were illegal procedures, false starts and delay of games. Lack of discipline and focus penalties.  They also were by far the most talented team in the nation that year, yet lost two triple overtime games to unranked foes ONLY because they played those games like an embarrassingly sloppy mess. Again, that is ALL on the coach.


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BayouBoogie wrote: Quattro wrote: http://lsu.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1175149

Miles is staying at LSU supposedly

LOL Michigan doesn't want him.  He was reportedly telling people yesterday that he would take the job if it was offered to him.  Looks to me like he wants that job so bad, but they know him too well to offer it to him.

Yeah, I read in a few places, LSU didnt want him back last year, and tried getting rid of him, and they were hoping he'd go to Mich.......we'll see what happens. I've heard several times, that there's a faction of LSU fans/alum/boosters that do not like Les, and have wanted him gone for awhile now? wait till he doesnt win 10-11 games...we'll see how much he "loves it" there?



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According to my local paper they picked Brady Hoke, the former Ball State Football coach

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mike3775 wrote: According to my local paper they picked Brady Hoke, the former Ball State Football coach


Yep, they hired him as their coach. I *think* les might not have come off too well in the supposed interview? or, he probably said something jackassy to Brandon, and they didnt offer him the job, or something?

Thanks for the info on Miles guys....that was a good read.



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Something is fishy on Les.

Some are saying Les turned em down, and other places are saying Michigan didn't offer him the job

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stingmark wrote: BayouBoogie wrote: Quattro wrote: http://lsu.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1175149

Miles is staying at LSU supposedly

LOL Michigan doesn't want him.  He was reportedly telling people yesterday that he would take the job if it was offered to him.  Looks to me like he wants that job so bad, but they know him too well to offer it to him.

Yeah, I read in a few places, LSU didnt want him back last year, and tried getting rid of him, and they were hoping he'd go to Mich.......we'll see what happens. I've heard several times, that there's a faction of LSU fans/alum/boosters that do not like Les, and have wanted him gone for awhile now? wait till he doesnt win 10-11 games...we'll see how much he "loves it" there?


The last two seasons were 7 and 8 win seasons with some embarrassing losses in there along with unexcusable struggles against teams like La Tech and Tulane, etc. Those were the 1st two years with only "his" guys and no Saban guys (and quite significantly, they were without his prize recruit, Ryan Perriloux, who was supposed to be the centerpiece of those teams, and who wanted even less to do with Saban than Saban wanted with him).  

It's not just about talent either, as the Saban guys are the types that like strict structure and are usually more "hard edged". Saban demanded a different approach and work ethic. From what I know, most of those guys that Saban recruited couldn't stand Miles' loosey-goosey, often goofy demeanor, just as the Miles guys could not put up with Saban's hard ass.  As Quattro pointed out, they are basically polar opposites in every way imaginable, right down to the type of player that is willing to play for them.

This year's record was a shock to every LSU fan I know, which are a plenty. Even with the great record, they played like crap against several inferior opponents and won despite some ridiculous playing, play-calling, and decision making.

I'd guess that a substantial majority of LSU fans don't like Miles, though he's often hard to place because his record is so good. Miles "loves it" here because:

A) he's in the spotlight, which he clearly loves,

B) he has a ludicrous contract that he suckered LSU out of with his Michigan BS while "leading" the most talented team LSU has ever had to a 2 loss (in 2 of the sloppiest, ugliest triple over-time performances ever against unranked opponents) BCS championship season,

C) Even when he has lackluster recruiting seasons, which he's had a couple of, the talent pool he's drawing from is still among the tops in the country so he's go a competing chance to make noise each and every year,

and D) Michigan doesn't seem to want him, because he made it public that he'd go there right now if they offered it to him and now he's announcing that he's staying (again)

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mike3775 wrote: Something is fishy on Les.

Some are saying Les turned em down, and other places are saying Michigan didn't offer him the job

I believe that they never offered it to him.  I fully believe that he leaked that he would accept the job, and then got stiffed.  I also believe he and his agent worked that last courtship during the BCS title run to get Les either A) his dream job (which didn't happen), or B) a ridiculous contract that guarantees he's paid as much as any other coach in the country and with a huge buyout guarantee if they fire him (which did happen).

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BayouBoogie wrote: stingmark wrote: BayouBoogie wrote: Quattro wrote: http://lsu.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1175149

Miles is staying at LSU supposedly

LOL Michigan doesn't want him.  He was reportedly telling people yesterday that he would take the job if it was offered to him.  Looks to me like he wants that job so bad, but they know him too well to offer it to him.

Yeah, I read in a few places, LSU didnt want him back last year, and tried getting rid of him, and they were hoping he'd go to Mich.......we'll see what happens. I've heard several times, that there's a faction of LSU fans/alum/boosters that do not like Les, and have wanted him gone for awhile now? wait till he doesnt win 10-11 games...we'll see how much he "loves it" there?


The last two seasons were 7 and 8 win seasons with some embarrassing losses in there. Those were the 1st two years with only "his" guys and no Saban guys (and quite significantly, they were without his prize recruit, Ryan Perriloux, who was supposed to be the centerpiece of those teams, and who wanted even less to do with Saban than Saban wanted with him).  

It's not just about talent either, as the Saban guys are the types that like strict structure and are usually more "hard edged". Saban demanded a different approach and work ethic. From what I know, most of those guys that Saban recruited couldn't stand Miles' loosey-goosey, often goofy demeanor, just as the Miles guys could not put up with Saban's hard ass.  As Quattro pointed out, they are basically polar opposites in every way imaginable, right down to the type of player that is willing to play for them.

This year's record was a shock to every LSU fan I know, which are a plenty. Even with the great record, they played like crap against several inferior opponents and won despite some ridiculous playing, play-calling, and decision making.

I'd guess that a substantial majority of LSU fans don't like Miles, though he's often hard to place because his record is so good. Miles "loves it" here because:

A) he's in the spotlight, which he clearly loves,

B) he has a ludicrous contract that he suckered LSU out of with his Michigan BS while "leading" the most talented team LSU has ever had to a 2 loss (in 2 of the sloppiest, ugliest triple over-time performances ever against unranked opponents) BCS championship season,

C) Even when he has lackluster recruiting seasons, which he's had a couple of, the talent pool he's drawing from is still among the tops in the country so he's go a competing chance to make noise each and every year,

and D) Michigan doesn't seem to want him, because he made it public that he'd go there right now if they offered it to him and now he's announcing that he's staying (again)
Yeah, read that earlier this morning about the ludicrous contract, and a few folks claimed thats why LSU was hoping Mich would take him, so they could stop paying for him. You're right...Like I said, he couldve pissed Brandon off, and they didnt want him.  bet in a year or so, he'll regret not going to Mich? I bet he'll try to complain that Mich wouldnt pay him enough or something? It'd be hilarious if they gave Hoke a nice deal, and it was more than they'dve offered Les?



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