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55. KC - Rodney Hudson, C, Florida St.

56. NE - Shane Vereen, RB, Calfornia

57. DET - Mikel LeShoure, RB, Illinois

58. Baltimore - Torrey Smith, WR, Maryland

59. Cleveland - Greg Little, WR, Cleveland

60. Houston - Brandon Harris, CB, Miami (FLA)

61. SD - Jonas Mouton, OLB, Michigan

 

 

There are some interesting picks in this group.

 

Hudson should become an anchor for KC at the center position.

 

NE's pick of Vereen seems to be heir apparent for Kevin Faulk.  Not a short yardage or grinder type of RB, but the guy loves catching passes out of the backfield.  Another young weapon for Tommy boy, especially on 3rd down.

 

Detroit got their big bell-ringer for a running back to compliment Best in the backfield.  Nothing fancy, but LeShoure is strong and does not go down easily.

 

The Shitbirds (Ravens) infused some speed to their wide receiving corps with Torrey Smith.  He compares to Mike Wallace of the Steelers. The guy is not a great route-runner but he can turn on the jets and fly.

 

Cleveland goes for WR Greg Little, a 230 lbs. WR. Very raw, but the guy has natural athletic abilities.  Some character issues are there, also.  If he turns it around, he could be a player like Anquan Boldin.

 

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62. Miami – Daniel Thomas, RB, Kansas St.

63. Pittsburgh – Marcus Gilbert, OT, Florida

64. Green Bay – Randall Cobb, WR, Kentucky

 

 

These are the final three picks for the 2nd Round of the NFL Draft.

 

I think the only intriguing pick is Green Bay's selection of WR Randall Cobb. I thought he was a very talented receiver and that he would have been drafted earlier in the round. 

 

Not too thrilled with the Steelers pick of OT Marcus Gilbert.  Guy has alot of negatives...inconsistent and plays soft.   They will need to put a fire under his big ass, if he is going to contribute.

 

 

End of Round 2

 

 

I will not posting all picks as they occur, maybe quick run-down after each round.

 

Feel free to post your opinions, your excitement, your frustrations, etc.  as the rounds go by.

 

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In Round 3, the NE Patsies select Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas.

Is he the Chosen One to learn from the Great Tom and carry the torch for the Patriots into it's next era of winning and cheating in the NFL? 



Ryan Mallett


Accuracy: Flashes very good accuracy on short and intermediate throws. Consistently hits the receiver in stride on crossing routes, slants and post patterns. Shows good touch and ball placement for the fade route. Throws with a flat trajectory on deep routes, showing only moderate accuracy on deep throws overall. Can make the "wow" throw and there isn't an NFL route he can't hit. Accuracy nosedives, however, when he is forced to move his feet, as his long legs prevent him from re-setting quickly and he throws with just his arm. When his feet aren't set, Mallett whips the ball, leading to passes sailing high and others diving low, making his throws difficult for receivers to predict or track and set up for yardage after the catch.


Arm Strength: Mallett's greatest trait. Possesses as strong an arm as there is in the country. Can fit the ball through closing windows, making him capable of completing throws most cannot. Drives the ball on the deep out and can zip the back shoulder throw against tight coverage. Has a tendency to get overly confident with his arm and will attempt to make ill-advised throws into coverage. Has learned to take some speed off when needed.


Setup/Release: Takes most of his snaps out of the shotgun, though he has shown the ability to drop back from center. Gains depth due to the length of his gait rather than foot quickness. Though his long arm makes for an awkward-looking windup, Mallett possesses a fluid, over-the-top release that generates momentum, resulting in the ball exploding out of his hand. Steps into his throws when he has room in the pocket, but loses accuracy when forced to rely solely on his arm.


Reading Defenses: Excellent height to see over the top of his linemen and read defenses. Good field vision, showing the ability to check down from his first and second options to drop passes off to outlet receivers. Flashes the ability to look off the safety, but most do this more consistently. Generally reads the blitz coming and can make defenses pay for their aggression by hitting the hot route, but doesn't possess the athleticism to escape the pocket when he is surprised.


On the Move: Can slide laterally to avoid the rush. Improved significantly as a junior in stepping up in the pocket to buy time. Willing to take a big hit to complete the pass. Has heavy feet and long legs, however, causing him to take longer than most to set his feet and throw accurately when forced to vacate the pocket. Threw critical interceptions late against Alabama and Ohio State in the Sugar Bowl when this occurred. Willing to tuck the ball and run when he's given a free lane and has exhausted his throwing options, but is no danger to consistently gain yardage as a scrambler. Doesn't get low enough or show more than average leg drive for the QB sneak.


Intangibles: Some have concerns over his maturity level. Has a brash personality that has caused some to question whether he possesses the leadership to handle an NFL huddle. Was never voted a team captain with the Razorbacks despite the fact that quarterbacks are often pushed by coaching staffs as such. Very confident in his own talent and early in his career wasn't known for his dedication to the film room. Arrested for public intoxication on March 1, 2009, in Fayetteville.


Compares to: Derek Anderson, Cardinals -- No one questions Mallett's ability to throw a football; he's the most talented pure passer in this draft. But he's tall and lanky and lacks any real mobility. If protected by a strong offensive line, he could turn out to be more like Drew Bledsoe or Joe Flacco.



Will Mallett be the prized venture of super models, actresses and princesses from all over the world?  Can he fulfill the role of Sir Tom in Foxboro?  Would a man like Ted Bruschi lay his life down for Mallett?  Stay tuned.

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Fascinating QB pick by the Pats.



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Here is an article on the winners and losers of the 2011 NFL Draft.

 
2011 NFL Draft: Winners and Losers

 

Posted on: April 30, 2011 8:10 pm

Posted by Will Brinson

 
NEW YORK -- The grind of the NFL Draft -- and don't let anyone tell you otherwise, three days of straight picks is definitely a grind -- is finally over. Which means we should probably take our time to sit back and reflect on who did well and do not do well. Or, alternately, we can just start calling people names right ... now!

 
WINNERS 

Atlanta Falcons: Been flopping on these guys all weekend long it feels like -- I like Julio Jones a lot, but I didn’t like all the picks the Falcons needed to get him. I do, however, freaking LOVE Jacquizz Rodgers. They got a steal when they landed a lot more offensive explosiveness in the seventh round. Couple that with a few more solid adds in Andrew Jackson, Akeem Dent and K/P Matt Bosher and it was a good haul for Thomas Dimitroff. Good enough to have me thinking about picking them to win it all. Again.

 
Peyton Manning: Not only is the best quarterback in the NFL going to get real paid as soon as we get a new CBA, but he’s going to have two new guys -- Anthony Castonzo and Benjamin Ijalana -- in town to help keep him healthy. 

 Buffalo Bills: The Bills started off their draft with a good blueprint: DEFENSE. And they stuck to that blueprint throughout the rest of the draft too, only diverting twice to pick up Chris Hairston from Clemson to beef up the offensive line and Johnny White for backfield depth and special teams. Da’Norris Searcy out of Chapel Hill could be a steal for them in the fourth. 

Wade Phillips: Not that you expected the Texans to actually go out and get anyone that’s an an offensive player early in the draft, but did a great job with their first five picks, particularly in trading back up to grab Brandon Harris. Given all the limitations on that defense and the switch they have to make, it’s good for him to at least get a head start out of the draft.

 
Cleveland Browns: Giving up a top-10 selection when you’ve got a young quarterback that needs weapons is no easy move ... unless you’re getting five picks in return and turn those into serviceable offensive products and some defensive standouts. Buster Skrine’s value fell post-Combine but he could be a good find, Jason Pinkston out of Pittsburgh will help and already-physical offensive line. Phil Taylor/Jabaal Sheard immediately improve the defensive line and Greg Little and Jordan Cameron give Colt McCoy some guys with good hands and upside. 

 
Ryan Mallett: My man Freeman thinks Bill Belichick might have taken too big a gamble, and there’s a good chance he might be right. But if Mallett goes anywhere else, you would have heard everyone saying that about the GM that grabbed him. (Can you imagine the reaction if Carolina took him or, dare I say, the Bengals?) The pressure of falling in the draft because of character issues and having to play/perform well at an early time is lifted with his move. 

 
Green Bay Packers: Not that it’s hard to “win” if you’re Green Bay, coming off a Super Bowl-winning season and sitting on a young, stacked roster. But “In Ted We Trust” applies here, because Thompson beefed up the Packers’ offensive line depth, got a superb second-rounder in Randall Cobb to potentially replace and just generally marked everything he needed off his checklist. Standard Packers draft, really. 

 
Arizona Cardinals: They had a good first two days nabbing Patrick Peterson and Ryan Williams and then fared quite well in the later rounds, particularly with their selection of Quan Sturdivant, a pretty stupendous value in the sixth round. Some would argue they didn’t address their QB need and that’s fair, but they’ll be the leaders in the clubhouse for a veteran or a Kevin Kolb trade. 

 
Pittsburgh Steelers: The rich get richer, per usual. Cameron Heyward is the future at defensive end, Marcus Gilbert -- a reliable offensive lineman -- is exactly what the Steelers need, and the Steelers stepped up and addressed their cornerback issues early on Day 3 of the draft by grabbing Curtis Brown and Cortez Allen. 

 
America: For awesomeness’ sake, I’m going to hold out eternal hope that the Chiefs win the Super Bowl, Ricky Stanzi ends up shirtless in a downtown BBQ joint with an American flag as a cape, holding a huge turkey leg while belting out the “Star Spangled Banner” in celebration and this scene makes its way onto YouTube. America needs that. 

 

LOSERS

 
Carolina Panthers: The Panthers were a classic example of how trading early-round picks and finding yourself extremely weak at certain positions can kill you: in a draft with ridiculous defensive line depth, they still couldn’t add to a weak position until the third round when they picked up a pair of undersized defensive tackles in Terrell McClain and Sione Fua. Kealoha Pilares was a good grab at the top of the fifth, though. And, of course, they were essentially forced to take Cam Newton at the top spot. If he busts, this draft is a total nightmare. It might even be a situation of Carolina just taking their medicine in the best-case anyway.

 
Carson Palmer: Marvin Lewis says the Bengals have “moved on” for Palmer too; you gotta think they’ll try and trade him just to get something in return, but it’s shame because the best scenario for him might actually be returning to the ‘Nati and helping to bring A.J. Green and Stanford product Ryan Whalen into the fold of Jermaine Gresham and Jordan Shipley. Those are nicer weapons than he’ll find in retirement.

 
Jacksonville Jaguars: I think Blaine Gabbert will end up being pretty good. If he’s great, this ranking could change, but if Jack Del Rio’s job is on the line, how does he not convince Gene Smith to go out and get him some freaking secondary help before fourth round? 

Ronnie Brown: There was some talk Brown might stick with the Dolphins even after they took Daniel Thomas out of K-State in the second round. Nabbing Charles Clay -- even if he’s a fullback -- probably means Brown is done with the ‘Fins. (And it might also mean they’re not as set on paying DeAngelo Williams whatever he wants too.) 

Washington Redskins: All weekend long, the Redskins looked like winners as they kept avoiding making huge mistakes by trading down and piling up picks. But did they really end up getting anything of substantial value for it? Leonard Hankerson could be a nice pull in the third round, certainly, but for all the Redskins’ surprising patience, they didn’t once address their (very serious) quarterback issue or outside linebacker issue. 

Reggie Bush: Sean Payton’s saying that he’s open to Bush coming back. That might be true. And it might not be true. But what he’s not doing is making a dumb, knee-jerk reaction on Twitter simply because his team drafted Mark Ingram. Which is what Bush did and it’s not going to help him in the short or long term. 

 Denver Broncos: The Broncos accumulated a lot of picks, and added a linebacker trio that could be dominant in a few years (Von Miller as the pass rusher, Nate Irving as the tackler and Virgil Green as the cover guy). But two tight ends and not a single defensive lineman? Did someone show John Elway the wrong depth chart before this thing kicked off on Thursday? 

 Oakland Raiders: Al Davis didn’t have a first-rounder, so it’s okay to temper expectations a little bit, but Al really isn’t going to stop over-drafting athleticism until the day he dies. And considering how hot it was in Radio City Music Hall when they played “California Girls” for the second time on Saturday, I can’t imagine hell’s freezing over any time soon. 

 David Akers: With the Eagles’ decision to reach up into the fourth round and grab Alex Henery out of Nebraska, as well as the fact that Akers wasn’t happy about his transition tag, it’s pretty obvious that the incumbent kicker’s days as a Philly legend are numbered. (You could also add Henery as a loser here, too: having to come in and kick in front of Eagles’ fans sounds worse than listening to drunk Jets’ fans boo everything for eight-straight hours.) 

Seattle Seahawks: Maybe Pete Carroll’s drafts are just too “zany” for me to understand, but the James Carpenter pick strikes me as possibly the biggest reach of the first round, maybe even ahead of Jake Locker and Christian Ponder. Unless bring Matt Hasselbeck back or land another veteran QB in the offseason, it’s almost impossible to imagine them sniffing the playoffs again.

 

 

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Papa Voo wrote:
Atlanta Falcons: Been flopping on these guys all weekend long it feels like -- I like Julio Jones a lot, but I didn’t like all the picks the Falcons needed to get him. I do, however, freaking LOVE Jacquizz Rodgers.



I will disagree with this. Rodgers is a midget and will be nothing more but a return man. Falcons defense still not top notch.

Lions front 4 will be awesome.



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Benlen wrote:

I will disagree with this. Rodgers is a midget and will be nothing more but a return man. Falcons defense still not top notch.


No, he'll actually get some carries as Jerious Norwood hasn't even come close to what the Falcons wanted him to be. That doesn't mean Rodgers will be any good, though.

It's about time for Atlanta to slide back to where they've always been.



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I agree about the Lions front four but their future still depends on the health of QB Stafford.

Bears drafted by need. OT, DT, S. Whether the guys they picked are any good, we shall see.



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I really liked the Giants draft.  Reese is a personnel guy, and he makes a lot of good decisions on draft day.

We really lucked out that Prince Amukamara dropped to us.  I would've loved to take Ingram, but you cannot pass up a guy that really could be a shut down corner.

Marvin Austin is a beast.  Both the NFL Network and ESPN touted him as having 1st round talent.  I know he got into trouble in college, but if he can be as good as advertised, I don't mind the Giants taking a chance on him.  Hopefully he comes in with a chip on his shoulder and helps shore up the interior run defense.

Jerrel Jernigan is really fast.  He won Troy's bowl game last year all by himself.  He's small and won't be an every down player, but he has a lot of intangibles, can play wildcat QB, can line up in the backfield, in the slot, has experience at RB and WR, and could really improve our dismal return game.

Greg Jones is a productive LB with experience at the Mike and the Sam.  I'd like to see how well he covers the TE/slot WR.
 

 

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I really liked the Giants draft.  Reese is a personnel guy, and he makes a lot of good decisions on draft day.

We really lucked out that Prince Amukamara dropped to us.  I would've loved to take Ingram, but you cannot pass up a guy that really could be a shut down corner.

Marvin Austin is a beast.  Both the NFL Network and ESPN touted him as having 1st round talent.  I know he got into trouble in college, but if he can be as good as advertised, I don't mind the Giants taking a chance on him.  Hopefully he comes in with a chip on his shoulder and helps shore up the interior run defense.

Jerrel Jernigan is really fast.  He won Troy's bowl game last year all by himself.  He's small and won't be an every down player, but he has a lot of intangibles, can play wildcat QB, can line up in the backfield, in the slot, has experience at RB and WR, and could really improve our dismal return game.

Greg Jones is a productive LB with experience at the Mike and the Sam.  I'd like to see how well he covers the TE/slot WR.
 

 



I liked the picks too. They didn't fill the OL and LB needs but the mantra is to take the best players. The S Sash that they took was somebody the analysts at ESPN were really high on. We'll see.



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Good job Papa Voo... I enjoyed your posts on the draft.



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HBF wrote: nyhack56 wrote:
I really liked the Giants draft.  Reese is a personnel guy, and he makes a lot of good decisions on draft day.

We really lucked out that Prince Amukamara dropped to us.  I would've loved to take Ingram, but you cannot pass up a guy that really could be a shut down corner.

Marvin Austin is a beast.  Both the NFL Network and ESPN touted him as having 1st round talent.  I know he got into trouble in college, but if he can be as good as advertised, I don't mind the Giants taking a chance on him.  Hopefully he comes in with a chip on his shoulder and helps shore up the interior run defense.

Jerrel Jernigan is really fast.  He won Troy's bowl game last year all by himself.  He's small and won't be an every down player, but he has a lot of intangibles, can play wildcat QB, can line up in the backfield, in the slot, has experience at RB and WR, and could really improve our dismal return game.

Greg Jones is a productive LB with experience at the Mike and the Sam.  I'd like to see how well he covers the TE/slot WR.
 

 



I liked the picks too. They didn't fill the OL and LB needs but the mantra is to take the best players. The S Sash that they took was somebody the analysts at ESPN were really high on. We'll see.


This wasn't a deep LB draft.  Greg Jones looks like he could turn into a good LB.  The other guy is a special teamer.

I think they are waiting for FA to begin (if ever) and they may go after Steven Tulloch from the Titans.

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See you all next year.   By the way, most of the feedback that I have seen or heard indicates that fans are not liking this new three-day format.  I would like to see it be put back to the weekend, but you know the NFL needs to make their money. :D



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LOL@ all the idiots who grade drafts and look @ there schedule and tell you how good a team's season will be. No wonder Kiper/Mayock/McShay don't ever do a draft grade after the season because they will be out of a job very quick for being wrong every yr.

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krazykid18 wrote: LOL@ all the idiots who grade drafts and look @ there schedule and tell you how good a team's season will be. No wonder Kiper/Mayock/McShay don't ever do a draft grade after the season because they will be out of a job very quick for being wrong every yr.


I agree with that.  You can't tell what you're schedule is going to be like because you don't know how good your opponents are going to be.

As for the draft, everything is upside.  There's no guarantees, I  know that.  However, I do put some stock in scouting reports by guys like Mayock.  It gives you some hope and something to look forward to because these guys get paid to do their homework and report on these players.  I also have faith the my team's GM.  31 players of the Giants 53 man roster are their draft picks, and they exactly haven't had terrible seasons in the past 3 years.

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