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 Posted: Wed Jun 1st, 2011 05:08 pm
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BayouBoogie wrote: clawmaster wrote: dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: krazykid18 wrote: thunderbolt wrote: krazykid18 wrote: yellowdog wrote: The NBA will figure a way to stretch this to 7 games.  Heat win game 7.  That's the best story for the NBA.  White guys Nowitski and Cuban finish 2nd but put up a game fight. 

LOL@ White guys as if Most white Americans will get behind Drik a German who fucks black girls

"Americans" have been "behind" DeNiro for years now.  Why should Dirk be different?


Dirk isn't born here, and white Americans or Americans in general don't really get behind people not born here, we can sit here and type thesis on race all we want, but if Dirk was born in USA and raised he would be a legend already up there with Brady and Manning in terms of star power.

Have to agree with KKK18.  Even Nash quite possibly doesn't get the respect he deserves by virtue of his being Canadian.

Who is the last white American to be regarded as a star in the NBA, anyways?  Since Bird, I can't think of any off the top of my head. 


John Stockton.

Chris Mullin, too. Which brings up another good comparison. Mullin was a star. As big a star as Dirk? Not in the NBA, I don't think. He certainly was never a front-runner for MVP. And his game isn't quite as good as Dirk, IMO, ad Dirk is in a bigger market, so Dirk is a bigger star just as he should be, although Mullin was very, very good.

Tom Chambers is in a similar boat to Mullin. He had a few really good seasons on really good teams and his star similarly rose with that, though he never even approached Bird stardom, nor was he as big a star as Dirk or Nash, even though he was a leading NBA scorer on a team that made more than one Conference Final and was all-star MVP.

Mark Price and Kevin McHale all were fairly big stars around the same time as well. McHale being the bigger star, because he was a key player on a Championship team.




Kidd and Blake are half and half.  They're disqualified from the discussion.

Here's the remainder of the guys we're discussing:

McHale:  Great player, but I never regarded him as a superstar of the caliber of Bird or even Novitski or even one of the Top 3 guys in the league of his era. 
Tom Chambers:  He was one of my favorite players of that era, but even with that, he was never a superstar.  I never regarded him as a Top 10 player during the time I watched him.  
Mark Price:  for a short period of time, might have been one of the Top 10 players in the league, but his peak was too brief.
Chris Mullin:  like Price, at one point I might've considered him a Top 10 player in the league, but his peak, although longer than Price's, was still a bit too brief.  
The only player I'd reluctantly agree with is John Stockton. 

Overall though, a pretty weak list, especially if you're comparing it to African-Americans or even non-Americans. 



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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: BayouBoogie wrote: clawmaster wrote: dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: krazykid18 wrote: thunderbolt wrote: krazykid18 wrote: yellowdog wrote: The NBA will figure a way to stretch this to 7 games.  Heat win game 7.  That's the best story for the NBA.  White guys Nowitski and Cuban finish 2nd but put up a game fight. 

LOL@ White guys as if Most white Americans will get behind Drik a German who fucks black girls

"Americans" have been "behind" DeNiro for years now.  Why should Dirk be different?


Dirk isn't born here, and white Americans or Americans in general don't really get behind people not born here, we can sit here and type thesis on race all we want, but if Dirk was born in USA and raised he would be a legend already up there with Brady and Manning in terms of star power.

Have to agree with KKK18.  Even Nash quite possibly doesn't get the respect he deserves by virtue of his being Canadian.

Who is the last white American to be regarded as a star in the NBA, anyways?  Since Bird, I can't think of any off the top of my head. 


John Stockton.

Chris Mullin, too. Which brings up another good comparison. Mullin was a star. As big a star as Dirk? Not in the NBA, I don't think. He certainly was never a front-runner for MVP. And his game isn't quite as good as Dirk, IMO, ad Dirk is in a bigger market, so Dirk is a bigger star just as he should be, although Mullin was very, very good.

Tom Chambers is in a similar boat to Mullin. He had a few really good seasons on really good teams and his star similarly rose with that, though he never even approached Bird stardom, nor was he as big a star as Dirk or Nash, even though he was a leading NBA scorer on a team that made more than one Conference Final and was all-star MVP.

Mark Price and Kevin McHale all were fairly big stars around the same time as well. McHale being the bigger star, because he was a key player on a Championship team.




Kidd and Blake are half and half.  They're disqualified from the discussion.

Here's the remainder of the guys we're discussing:

McHale:  Great player, but I never regarded him as a superstar of the caliber of Bird or even Novitski or even one of the Top 3 guys in the league of his era. 
Tom Chambers:  He was one of my favorite players of that era, but even with that, he was never a superstar.  I never regarded him as a Top 10 player during the time I watched him.  
Mark Price:  for a short period of time, might have been one of the Top 10 players in the league, but his peak was too brief.
Chris Mullin:  like Price, at one point I might've considered him a Top 10 player in the league, but his peak, although longer than Price's, was still a bit too brief.  
The only player I'd reluctantly agree with is John Stockton. 

Overall though, a pretty weak list, especially if you're comparing it to African-Americans or even non-Americans. 


Exactly. Which is another reason why KK's post was bullshit. Why aren't Stockton, Mullin and Chambers the "legends" he claims Dirk would be if he were American? Chambers put up numbers very similar to Dirk's and was the key player (alongside KJ) on a legit contender in the late 80s-early 90s.  He was a "star", but not on the level of Dirk (or Nash).  Why?

Here's an idea: Personality and being the star player on a Championship team (which will no doubt raise Dirk's profile, which is already higher than all of those). Either that or they all fuck black girls.

The biggest white star since Bird is Nash, and he's not from the US. He speaks perfect English, is photogenic and has some personality, though, so his appeal is increased.  The next two are Dirk and Stockton, both having been in a pair of NBA Finals, though Dirk is certainly a bigger "star" and more widely recognized than Stockton.

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What an amazing finish.  Nowitzki was cold blooded down the stretch.



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thunderbolt wrote: What an amazing finish.  Nowitzki was cold blooded down the stretch.

Pressure is on the Heat now but they've proven they can win on the road in the playoffs. It's gonna be a great series. Hats off to Dirk and the Mavs for that stunning comeback.



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clawmaster wrote: thunderbolt wrote: What an amazing finish.  Nowitzki was cold blooded down the stretch.

Pressure is on the Heat now but they've proven they can win on the road in the playoffs. It's gonna be a great series. Hats off to Dirk and the Mavs for that stunning comeback.


A lot of that is on the Heat. They got very cocky, started celebrating way too early and then came out flat after that time out where they were acting like they had won with like 6 minutes on the clock.  The Heat quit early, the Mavs didn't.

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LeBron will quit on his team if the Mavs start to pull ahead,he's done it time after time when he was with Clevehole and there's no reason to think he won't do it again when his team needs him the most.

Watch and see.



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katook wrote: LeBron will quit on his team if the Mavs start to pull ahead,he's done it time after time when he was with Clevehole and there's no reason to think he won't do it again when his team needs him the most.

Watch and see.


That is completely false.  The only time he seems to have done that was the one game last year against Boston (and he had a better overall series against Boston than Bryant did, but Bryant had help and Lebron didn't). Other than that, he plays his ass off and carried a crap team for years.

Miami is more apt to quit when they are ahead than when they are behind, IMO.  The idea that Lebron quits when he is behind is absurd if you really look at his record.  Also, it's obvious that a lot of people don't realize how shitty a team he had around him in Cleveland.  And even if he did quit in one game on that crap team, I don't see him doing that on a team that is built to win, with another 1st tier player as well as an All-Star for a 3rd guy.  I think the bigger danger with Miami is getting swollen heads and thinking they have it in the bag, like they did in that last game.


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Gotta give the Heat credit. They hit a ton of big three pointers in game 3. Great game.



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Really?  I guess I, and everyone else, missed this the first time around.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Mario-Chalmers-and-the-buzzer-beater-that-shoul?urn=nba-wp4412



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Dallas was down by 9 points in the 4th quarter but Dallas went to the zone, Dirk got hot and Dallas is now up by 2 with 45 seconds to go.



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Dallas by one with 29.3 seconds to go. Dallas has the ball and has called time out.



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Dirk makes a lay up. Dallas by three with 14.4 seconds to go. Time out Miami.



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Wade makes a hoop. Dallas up by one with 9 seconds to go.



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Jason Terry hits 2 free throws. Dallas by 3 with 6.7 seconds to go.



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Dallas wins 86-83!! Series evened a 2.



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