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Married Jo wrote: Give Prince Fielder a 5 year, $100 million dollar deal, problem solved...
I don't envision Fielder signing for half the years and less than half the coin Pujols got.


Alot of the folks at the winter meetings, kept saying he wouldnt get more than 5yrs & $100-$120 million anyway, which imo, is about right. No way hes worth anywhere near the Pujols deal, sorry, I just dont see it.
No one thought Pujols was going to get 254 million, but he did. That number raises the bar substantially for Prince. He's not going to get Pujols money, but with Scott Boras representing him, an 8-year, 150 million dollar deal sounds about right.


Supposedly, those kind of offers just werent there for Fielder. Doubt many would be willing to ante up that kind of deal for Fielder? Not worth it imo. Doubt he sees any offers past 5-6yrs and $120mill, it could happen though. Just dont see it, imo.

Alot of folks thought Pujols would get a $200+ mill deal, 3-4 teams offered hkm $220 and he turned them all down. Not unreasonable to believe hed get Arod type money? I thought atleast $240 would have to do it. Guys better than AFraud, he got almost as much, which was pretty much right in line.



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stingmark wrote: TXM wrote:
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Married Jo wrote: Give Prince Fielder a 5 year, $100 million dollar deal, problem solved...
I don't envision Fielder signing for half the years and less than half the coin Pujols got.


Alot of the folks at the winter meetings, kept saying he wouldnt get more than 5yrs & $100-$120 million anyway, which imo, is about right. No way hes worth anywhere near the Pujols deal, sorry, I just dont see it.
No one thought Pujols was going to get 254 million, but he did. That number raises the bar substantially for Prince. He's not going to get Pujols money, but with Scott Boras representing him, an 8-year, 150 million dollar deal sounds about right.


Supposedly, those kind of offers just werent there for Fielder. Doubt many would be willing to ante up that kind of deal for Fielder? Not worth it imo. Doubt he sees any offers past 5-6yrs and $120mill, it could happen though. Just dont see it, imo.

Alot of folks thought Pujols would get a $200+ mill deal, 3-4 teams offered hkm $220 and he turned them all down. Not unreasonable to believe hed get Arod type money? I thought atleast $240 would have to do it. Guys better than AFraud, he got almost as much, which was pretty much right in line.

Let's revisit this when Prince gets his deal.

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TXM wrote:
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Married Jo wrote: Give Prince Fielder a 5 year, $100 million dollar deal, problem solved...
I don't envision Fielder signing for half the years and less than half the coin Pujols got.


Alot of the folks at the winter meetings, kept saying he wouldnt get more than 5yrs & $100-$120 million anyway, which imo, is about right. No way hes worth anywhere near the Pujols deal, sorry, I just dont see it.
No one thought Pujols was going to get 254 million, but he did. That number raises the bar substantially for Prince. He's not going to get Pujols money, but with Scott Boras representing him, an 8-year, 150 million dollar deal sounds about right.


Supposedly, those kind of offers just werent there for Fielder. Doubt many would be willing to ante up that kind of deal for Fielder? Not worth it imo. Doubt he sees any offers past 5-6yrs and $120mill, it could happen though. Just dont see it, imo.

Alot of folks thought Pujols would get a $200+ mill deal, 3-4 teams offered hkm $220 and he turned them all down. Not unreasonable to believe hed get Arod type money? I thought atleast $240 would have to do it. Guys better than AFraud, he got almost as much, which was pretty much right in line.

Let's revisit this when Prince gets his deal.


Kinda proves my point though, that hes not worth an 8yr $150+ mill deal? If he were, you can be certain hed have been signed. 8yrs is too long. From what I remember hearing, not a single team offered him more than a 5-6 yr deal.

But, we'll revisit it later.



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TXM wrote:
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Married Jo wrote: Give Prince Fielder a 5 year, $100 million dollar deal, problem solved...
I don't envision Fielder signing for half the years and less than half the coin Pujols got.


Alot of the folks at the winter meetings, kept saying he wouldnt get more than 5yrs & $100-$120 million anyway, which imo, is about right. No way hes worth anywhere near the Pujols deal, sorry, I just dont see it.
No one thought Pujols was going to get 254 million, but he did. That number raises the bar substantially for Prince. He's not going to get Pujols money, but with Scott Boras representing him, an 8-year, 150 million dollar deal sounds about right.


Supposedly, those kind of offers just werent there for Fielder. Doubt many would be willing to ante up that kind of deal for Fielder? Not worth it imo. Doubt he sees any offers past 5-6yrs and $120mill, it could happen though. Just dont see it, imo.

Alot of folks thought Pujols would get a $200+ mill deal, 3-4 teams offered hkm $220 and he turned them all down. Not unreasonable to believe hed get Arod type money? I thought atleast $240 would have to do it. Guys better than AFraud, he got almost as much, which was pretty much right in line.

Let's revisit this when Prince gets his deal.


Kinda proves my point though, that hes not worth an 8yr $150+ mill deal? If he were, you can be certain hed have been signed. 8yrs is too long. From what I remember hearing, not a single team offered him more than a 5-6 yr deal.

But, we'll revisit it later.



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I see Fielder going for anywhere between 8-10 yrs for $175-$200 million

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mike3775 wrote:
I see Fielder going for anywhere between 8-10 yrs for $175-$200 million


Too much &too many years. Most likely wont be there that long anyways, what other team will want to trade for a horrible contract like that?



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stingmark wrote: mike3775 wrote:
I see Fielder going for anywhere between 8-10 yrs for $175-$200 million


Too much &too many years. Most likely wont be there that long anyways, what other team will want to trade for a horrible contract like that?


It's not a trade. He's a free agent. He'll get what the market will bear.

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I see Fielder going for anywhere between 8-10 yrs for $175-$200 million


Too much &too many years. Most likely wont be there that long anyways, what other team will want to trade for a horrible contract like that?


It's not a trade. He's a free agent. He'll get what the market will bear.
I know that......i was assuming, had he signed a huge deal, he wouldnt be w/said team for the life of the contract?what team would want to trade for a guy 2/3 yrs dtr, with a horrible contract like that?



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stingmark wrote: TXM wrote:
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I see Fielder going for anywhere between 8-10 yrs for $175-$200 million


Too much &too many years. Most likely wont be there that long anyways, what other team will want to trade for a horrible contract like that?


It's not a trade. He's a free agent. He'll get what the market will bear.
I know that......i was assuming, had he signed a huge deal, he wouldnt be w/said team for the life of the contract?what team would want to trade for a guy 2/3 yrs dtr, with a horrible contract like that?

My bad. Sorry.

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TXM wrote:
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I see Fielder going for anywhere between 8-10 yrs for $175-$200 million


Too much &too many years. Most likely wont be there that long anyways, what other team will want to trade for a horrible contract like that?


It's not a trade. He's a free agent. He'll get what the market will bear.
I know that......i was assuming, had he signed a huge deal, he wouldnt be w/said team for the life of the contract?what team would want to trade for a guy 2/3 yrs dtr, with a horrible contract like that?

My bad. Sorry.


No worries. Those super huge contracts, are practically untradeable down the road, should a team want to dump it later. Doubt many teams would take ARods contract today? Guys stuck in NY and basically collecting a huge contract, hes not earning, imo.



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stingmark wrote: TXM wrote:
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I see Fielder going for anywhere between 8-10 yrs for $175-$200 million


Too much &too many years. Most likely wont be there that long anyways, what other team will want to trade for a horrible contract like that?


It's not a trade. He's a free agent. He'll get what the market will bear.
I know that......i was assuming, had he signed a huge deal, he wouldnt be w/said team for the life of the contract?what team would want to trade for a guy 2/3 yrs dtr, with a horrible contract like that?

My bad. Sorry.


No worries. Those super huge contracts, are practically untradeable down the road, should a team want to dump it later. Doubt many teams would take ARods contract today? Guys stuck in NY and basically collecting a huge contract, hes not earning, imo.


Do you think Pujols contact isn't going to haunt LA 4 or 5 years down the road?

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stingmark wrote: Btw, nice "under the radar" signing by the Pirates, to steal Bedard for cheap? Steal of the meetings imo. That guy could end up winning 15-18 games for them. Also, nice job signing McCloth.

Good job Pirates.

Need an offense that scores a run now and then to have a chance of having a 15 game winner.



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TXM wrote:
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stingmark wrote: TXM wrote:
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I see Fielder going for anywhere between 8-10 yrs for $175-$200 million


Too much &too many years. Most likely wont be there that long anyways, what other team will want to trade for a horrible contract like that?


It's not a trade. He's a free agent. He'll get what the market will bear.
I know that......i was assuming, had he signed a huge deal, he wouldnt be w/said team for the life of the contract?what team would want to trade for a guy 2/3 yrs dtr, with a horrible contract like that?

My bad. Sorry.


No worries. Those super huge contracts, are practically untradeable down the road, should a team want to dump it later. Doubt many teams would take ARods contract today? Guys stuck in NY and basically collecting a huge contract, hes not earning, imo.


Do you think Pujols contact isn't going to haunt LA 4 or 5 years down the road?



Of course it will, which was my point earlier, w/Fielder. In 3/4/5 years, when the Angels dont win &want to dump payroll, they wont get anyone to take that deal.

It works out for the Cards, why? They dont have to spend $250 mill on a guy, theyll most likely trade anyways 3/4 years dtr, anyways. They dont have to worry about unloading that horrible contract. They can use the $saved, to get miltiple players, who can help them.



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Hymie Itsu wrote:
stingmark wrote: Btw, nice "under the radar" signing by the Pirates, to steal Bedard for cheap? Steal of the meetings imo. That guy could end up winning 15-18 games for them. Also, nice job signing McCloth.

Good job Pirates.

Need an offense that scores a run now and then to have a chance of having a 15 game winner.


Yep. But, they didnt spend alot on either, they can still go out &get a few more bats if they need to. Lots of low cost guys thay can help them, and they get them for cheap.

Kinda pissed my Tigs didnt go after Bedard more aggressively, he wouldve looked nice in the 5th starter spot.

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Fielder is younger than Pujols, so in 4-5 yrs, he will be Pujols, and this is it for him.

Fielder will get that, because he had a monster walk year.  But he will deliver for whatever team he ends up with

As far as contracts being not traded, thats what they said about A-Rods 10yr $252 million from the Rangers, yet he was traded, and even Vernon Wells contract

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