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 Posted: Tue Dec 27th, 2011 01:03 pm
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Sadly,with todays version of football,as policed by Roger no contact alowed Goodell one expect records that have stood for decades to fall allmost every single year.

Defenses are not allowed to play defense anymore in Goodys league.



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 Posted: Tue Dec 27th, 2011 01:48 pm
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So true.

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 Posted: Tue Dec 27th, 2011 03:17 pm
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I don't think anyone is gonna break the record after this year for awhile, because passing teams do not tend to do very well.

They were discussing this on the NFL Network last night in fact, and pointed out how Marino set it in his second season, and never passed again for 5000 yds again in his entire career.  They never got back to the Superbowl either, because Miami never really developed a run game to counter Marino's passing skills.

If Carolina were to get a decent run game going(not involving the QB) to offset Newtons pass game, Carolina will be a threat for years to come.  New England was the best when Brady was not 80%+ of the offense.  Indianapolis won its only superbowl on the run game along with Peyton.  Brees won the Superbowl with a decent run game as well.  Green Bay last year won with a decent run game, along with Rodgers. 

A totally pass reliant team will not do very well in the NFL for very long, because the pass routes will be figured out(like what New Orleans did with Indianapolis) and teams will jump on routes easier.

I have a feeling Brees record will stand for at least a decade before its broken again, and it will be a fluke season much like this one where it will happen again, because usually when teams are pass happy, they are usually behind for most of the game, or they simply do not have a decent run game established

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Umm, it's possible that Brees record may not even last past next week.

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DaNkinator wrote:
Umm, it's possible that Brees record may not even last past next week.

Brees is gonna have to play next week to keep the record. Brady is not too far behind and may pass him if Brees sits.



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DaNkinator wrote:
Umm, it's possible that Brees record may not even last past next week.


Nah, he's going to play and keep his lead. They are still trying to beat out the Niners and Brady is 200 yards behind him.

Like they showed last night, there is a bigger gap between Brees avg yards per game this year than there was between Marino and the rest of the league avg when he set the record. Yeah, the records are being influenced by the rules, but Brees is still throwing that much better than the rest of the league (almost 100 yards per game over league average - his completion percentage is 2-3 points over Rodgers and way beyond everyone else as well).

So yeah, the passing stats are heavily influenced by rules changes, however Brees is still outperforming the rest of the league at a pretty high clip, and this is a season with several big time seasons and rookies throwing for 4,000 yards, etc.

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Brees aint gonna sit.  They have a chance at the #2 seed like Bayou stated and the fact that Payton went for the record last night shows that the team will try to keep the record for him as well. 

I can see a shitload of short route passes for New Orleans and hoping for yards after the catch to pad his stats Sunday

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... and now all kinds of Bullshit is being said that the Saints and Brees were unsportsmanlike in "running up the numbers"

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-cole_saints_brees_record_dan_marino_falcons112711


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stone2k wrote:


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Gimmie a freaking break... it's the defenses job to stop a team in the pros, not the offenses job to stop playing.


Amen. If I were a pro football player, I'd be embarrassed if my coaches or teammates whined about such crap. Even if they weren't going for a record, stop them if you don't want them to score. But as it is, they are trying to make history. Again, if you don't want history made at your expense, stop them. That's the name of the game.

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 Posted: Tue Dec 27th, 2011 06:00 pm
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this quote from the article sums it up the best

“No man, it’s our job to stop them,” said linebacker Sean Weatherspoon, who missed New Orleans running back Darren Sproles on the record-setting play. “I can’t say I’m upset by them running up the score or anything like that when I had a chance to make a play.”

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BayouBoogie wrote:
stone2k wrote:


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Gimmie a freaking break... it's the defenses job to stop a team in the pros, not the offenses job to stop playing.


Amen. If I were a pro football player, I'd be embarrassed if my coaches or teammates whined about such crap. Even if they weren't going for a record, stop them if you don't want them to score. But as it is, they are trying to make history. Again, if you don't want history made at your expense, stop them. That's the name of the game.


If it were Matt Ryan going for the record, doubt the Falcons would be whining. You're spot on btw.

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 Posted: Tue Dec 27th, 2011 09:24 pm
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Niners reportedly releasing Braylon Edwards.

He won't be missed but its kinda surprising since WR Josh Morgan has a broken leg, wr Ted Ginn a sprain ankle, wr Kyle Williams a concussion, and TE/WR Delanie Walker has a broken jaw.



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mike3775 wrote:
Road Warrior Yajuta wrote: If anyone had to break Marino's record I am glad it was Drew. 
What was simply more amazing about the fact he broke it, is the fact he has 1 more game to play, and can put it further out of reach next week if he so chooses.


Marino could say hhad less passing attempts and less completions than Brees.

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The NFL wants the game turned into a passing game, so it would not be surprising to see this record challenged frequently.  Look at the rules being created and enforced.  Less defense....more scoring.



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Benlen wrote: mike3775 wrote:
Road Warrior Yajuta wrote: If anyone had to break Marino's record I am glad it was Drew. 
What was simply more amazing about the fact he broke it, is the fact he has 1 more game to play, and can put it further out of reach next week if he so chooses.


Marino could say hhad less passing attempts and less completions than Brees.
That is true, but Brees can also turn around and ask Marino how many 5000K seasons he had as well.

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