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 Posted: Sat Feb 25th, 2012 09:25 pm
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Her best bet was to stay in open wheel racing.



Eh..if she wanted to win maybe one more race, yes. If she wants to rake in the big bucks and really make a REAL name for herself in racing, she did exactly what she needed to do, come to Nascar. When it comes to motorsports in America, Indycar is like some Indy fed that gets some buzz from the smarks but nobody else gives a flying shit. I love all forms of racing but IRL/Indycar is a blip on the radar. They have ONE RACE that draws viewers, and that's the Indy 500 and it only gets people to watch because of the tradition. Other than the Indy race they are struggling to crack 200K in television viewers for all their other races. Her coming to Nascar is exactly what she needed to do and it's exactly what Nascar needs, she's going to bring in a lot more viewers and fans, and that's a win/win for everyone.

Also, she is working with great people and she is going to get better. She's never going to be a consistent winner but it wouldn't shock me to see her eventually win a Nationwide race, especially now that a lot of the Cup guys have sort of bowed out of the series. The only thing a woman has ever done in Nascar up till now was Shawna Robinson winning a pole at Atlanta like 20 years ago, ANYTHING Danica does is going to be groundbreaking in Nascar...



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 Posted: Sat Feb 25th, 2012 09:56 pm
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I still have no idea who to choose for tomorrow... it is such a total crapshoot. In the Nationwide race today with the big wreck at the end, the winner Buescher was like 10th or 11th at the time.

There was one bad wreck in the truck race yesterday that I saw before I went to work where on dude hit the inside retaining wall so hard the truck revolved 360 degrees about 4-5 feet off the ground...  (around 1:20 in the below video)








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 Posted: Sat Feb 25th, 2012 10:36 pm
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Married Jo wrote: JOpiela wrote:
Her best bet was to stay in open wheel racing.



Eh..if she wanted to win maybe one more race, yes. If she wants to rake in the big bucks and really make a REAL name for herself in racing, she did exactly what she needed to do, come to Nascar. When it comes to motorsports in America, Indycar is like some Indy fed that gets some buzz from the smarks but nobody else gives a flying shit. I love all forms of racing but IRL/Indycar is a blip on the radar. They have ONE RACE that draws viewers, and that's the Indy 500 and it only gets people to watch because of the tradition. Other than the Indy race they are struggling to crack 200K in television viewers for all their other races. Her coming to Nascar is exactly what she needed to do and it's exactly what Nascar needs, she's going to bring in a lot more viewers and fans, and that's a win/win for everyone.

Also, she is working with great people and she is going to get better. She's never going to be a consistent winner but it wouldn't shock me to see her eventually win a Nationwide race, especially now that a lot of the Cup guys have sort of bowed out of the series. The only thing a woman has ever done in Nascar up till now was Shawna Robinson winning a pole at Atlanta like 20 years ago, ANYTHING Danica does is going to be groundbreaking in Nascar...
Eh... She may have NEEDED to come to NASCAR to make the BIG money but she doesn't have the talent to do it.  Her best chance to make money was to stay in open wheel.  NASCAR doesn't need another open wheel failure to bring it back and she also waited far too long to make the switch.  If you want to look at the drivers who made a  winning transition from open wheel to NASCAR her chances look even worse.  There are three drivers to consider.  A.J. Foyt (who is probably the greatest race car driver in history), Mario Andretti (top 10 of the greatest drivers in history) and Tony Stewart (making his name as one of the top drivers in history).  All of them also had huge success in open wheel before winning in NASCAR.  Patrick has never been a winner in IRL and doesn't have the time to learn how to drive in NASCAR.  It doesn't matter who she has to teach her she isn't good enough.  She couldn't win in open wheel with a great team and teachers and she won't win in NASCAR.  With the way things are now she'll be lucky to even have sponsorship in 3 or 4 years.



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JOpiela wrote: If you want to look at the drivers who made a  winning transition from open wheel to NASCAR her chances look even worse.  There are three drivers to consider.  A.J. Foyt (who is probably the greatest race car driver in history), Mario Andretti (top 10 of the greatest drivers in history) and Tony Stewart (making his name as one of the top drivers in history). 

Tim Richmond?  Montoya?  And that's not counting the sprintcar grads like Gordon and so on (and CART failures like Schrader).  Let alone other one-offers like Dan Gurney and Johnny Rutherford that won NASCAR races and others from the fifties like Al Keller and Johnny Mantz.

That's certainly more than those that made the trip from stock to Indy successfully.  Curtis Turner couldn't handle Indianapolis, Cale did the thick end of eff all, Neil Bonnett had a couple of DNQs.  You're basically looking at Dick Rathmann, Paul Goldsmith, Marshall Teague, Bobby Allison and Leeroy Yarbrough who moved from NASCAR to Indycar and made a decent go of it.  And none of them won races.  (There is an argument that Andretti started in stocks though.)



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 Posted: Sun Feb 26th, 2012 01:05 pm
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Richmond began racing stocks at just about the same time as open wheel.  Montoya was a champion in open wheel and he struggled to adjust.   Although I should have included him in list, he still only has 2 wins and finished in the final top 10 only once. I didn't include Gordon because he was in stock cars by 18 and he never ran the INDY style cars.  Gordon also ran the Busch series for two years to learn the cars before running the Cup schedule.  However he was a great open wheel driver before turning to stock cars so that's 5 drivers.

Rutherford started in stocks and had his only NASCAR win before he ran an Indy car race.  You're right about it being no easier going from NASCAR to indy car.  Teague, Allison and Yarborough hardly made a descent go of it.  They ran in the Indy 500 but did any even finish the race?  I'm saying they are two vastly different types of racing and there are a handful of All-Time greats who had success running both regularly.  Someone can pop over for a race or two because they are a great driver.  It's fun to try something different but they are rarely competitive and even more rarely winners.



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Yarbrough came close to winning a race, I think he ran out of fuel while leading late on, but he was always a demon on the fastest tracks.  Bobby Allison was offered something permanent by Penske but preferred to run down south. 

Not all racing drivers make transitions between formulae, Fangio was never as good in sportscars as he was in Grands Prix because he was such a precise driver and liked to see where his wheels were trimming the kerbs.  Impossible with fared-in wheels.  But in many cases there was no need to make a transition, until Tony George fucked up Indycar the better market was CART so it was really up to NASCAR drivers to jump and most of them could not stand the shift.  And of course F1 is still bigger and better than both. 



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F1 may be bigger worldwide, but it's in no way better. I love ALL forms of racing, but nothing bores me more than F1..the only drama is in qualifying, other than that it's nothing but rolling computers with no passing..



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 Posted: Sun Feb 26th, 2012 07:13 pm
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Allison had a contract with Penske to run the Indy 500 which he did twice.  His cars hardly turned any laps and he had to give up too many NASCAR races and the chance at too much money.  There was never any thought for him to run permanent for Penske.  I don't remember reading too much about LeeRoy in Indy car so I'll take your word there.  He was one hell of a driver.  Unless you had a top spot with a top team you weren't going to win and make more money in Indy car.   The few NASCAR drivers who could make the switch really had no reason to learn the different handling and racing style and still have little chance to make anymore money.   But I'm really not disputing anything you've posted and your posts back up what I say.  There are VERY few drivers that can change racing styles and be winners. 

Oh, and you're right about F1 having the best drivers.  Although it's tough to tell who is actually the best driver there because it's more about who has the most money backing them than who has the most talent.  Besides those things are more like jet planes on the ground than a car so it's even harder to transition to or from F1 anymore.



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Married Jo wrote: F1 may be bigger worldwide, but it's in no way better. I love ALL forms of racing, but nothing bores me more than F1..the only drama is in qualifying, other than that it's nothing but rolling computers with no passing..
I'd love to get into really following F1, but I'm like you, I can't stand watching racing where there's not much passing.

I'm starting to get really hyped up for the 500 now. Nothing in stock car racing excites me more than night racing under the lights, so now at 5PM EST I'm really, really looking forward to watching this tonight. That's why I enjoy watching the Truck Series so much because the majority of the races are Friday nights.

I'll be rooting for Montoya or Harvick to win it.

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Looks like a noon race tomorrow.



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stone2k wrote: Looks like a noon race tomorrow.

I really wanted to watch the race today but good old Mother Nature intervened.



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clawmaster wrote: stone2k wrote: Looks like a noon race tomorrow.

I really wanted to watch the race today but good old Mother Nature intervened.

What a drag eh? Sucks!

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carpetbeggar wrote:
clawmaster wrote: stone2k wrote: Looks like a noon race tomorrow.

I really wanted to watch the race today but good old Mother Nature intervened.

What a drag eh? Sucks!


Now they're saying a 7 pm start time tonight for the race, if it even happens at all today.



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cookie32723 wrote: carpetbeggar wrote:
clawmaster wrote: stone2k wrote: Looks like a noon race tomorrow.

I really wanted to watch the race today but good old Mother Nature intervened.

What a drag eh? Sucks!


Now they're saying a 7 pm start time tonight for the race, if it even happens at all today.

They could end up with huge ratings if they get this race in tonight.



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Let's get it on!!!!!!

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