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CanadianHorseman wrote: Now it's getting stupid and it's just going to get worse. What do you think TSN's Dave Hodge was trying to imply with this tweet:





TSNDaveHodge Dave Hodge - TSN
Don't know if it's fair to point this out, but Tim Thomas has three children named Kiley, Kelsey and Keegan.


Thomas likes White Robes and White Hats?



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srossi wrote: Somehow I doubt the people who object to this felt the same way over the handful of athletes who refused to meet with Bush over the years.  They were right then, and Thomas is right now.  This is a non-story.  He doesn't have to go anywhere he doesn't want to go and he doesn't even have to respect anyone he doesn't want to respect.  I seem to recall this country being founded on a shocking lack of respect for certain members of royalty.
I would have had the same reaction regardless of political affiliation.  I think I said that in my first post about this.  The first time this pissed me off was when some members of the Ryder Cup team were whining about meeting with Clinton.  It has become a tradition in this country that championship teams get invited to the White House.  It's about respect... respect for the office, respect for the country and respect for the President.  So Rossi, you're suggesting we're on the verge of a revolution like in 1776?  Tim Thomas not going to the White House is like our founders signing the Declaration of Independence and going to war with England? See how silly that looks when you read it?  You have the "right" to do a lot of things.  That doesn't make it the right thing to do.



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Who cares ? He's only an athlete. Those of you who think he's an asshole for
not meeting Obama, I ask this.
Would you feel the same way about player X who refused to meet Dubya, if
Dubya was still Pres ?

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lobo316 wrote: Who cares ? He's only an athlete. Those of you who think he's an asshole for
not meeting Obama, I ask this.
Would you feel the same way about player X who refused to meet Dubya, if
Dubya was still Pres ?

yes... I wrote two different times in this thread.



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yellowdog wrote: lobo316 wrote: Who cares ? He's only an athlete. Those of you who think he's an asshole for
not meeting Obama, I ask this.
Would you feel the same way about player X who refused to meet Dubya, if
Dubya was still Pres ?

yes... I wrote two different times in this thread.


Same here...as much as I hated Dubya, I think a move like this shows little class and just serves to build grow and already large division in this country.

And again, I can't reiterate enough, I'm a huge mark for Tim Thomas.



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yellowdog wrote: srossi wrote: Somehow I doubt the people who object to this felt the same way over the handful of athletes who refused to meet with Bush over the years.  They were right then, and Thomas is right now.  This is a non-story.  He doesn't have to go anywhere he doesn't want to go and he doesn't even have to respect anyone he doesn't want to respect.  I seem to recall this country being founded on a shocking lack of respect for certain members of royalty.
  You have the "right" to do a lot of things.  That doesn't make it the right thing to do.
I love how people are supposed to do the "right thing" even if it conflicts with their views.


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mike3775 wrote: yellowdog wrote: srossi wrote: Somehow I doubt the people who object to this felt the same way over the handful of athletes who refused to meet with Bush over the years.  They were right then, and Thomas is right now.  This is a non-story.  He doesn't have to go anywhere he doesn't want to go and he doesn't even have to respect anyone he doesn't want to respect.  I seem to recall this country being founded on a shocking lack of respect for certain members of royalty.
  You have the "right" to do a lot of things.  That doesn't make it the right thing to do.
I love how people are supposed to do the "right thing" even if it conflicts with their views.




He can do as he likes, but this all comes down to an athlete having a sore vagina over an election result.  Regardless of political affiliation, people have the right to no-show a presidential visit.  Other people have the right to call them Midol-gargling jackasses over it.

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tofu_chipmunk wrote: mike3775 wrote: yellowdog wrote: srossi wrote: Somehow I doubt the people who object to this felt the same way over the handful of athletes who refused to meet with Bush over the years.  They were right then, and Thomas is right now.  This is a non-story.  He doesn't have to go anywhere he doesn't want to go and he doesn't even have to respect anyone he doesn't want to respect.  I seem to recall this country being founded on a shocking lack of respect for certain members of royalty.
  You have the "right" to do a lot of things.  That doesn't make it the right thing to do.
I love how people are supposed to do the "right thing" even if it conflicts with their views.




He can do as he likes, but this all comes down to an athlete having a sore vagina over an election result.  Regardless of political affiliation, people have the right to no-show a presidential visit.  Other people have the right to call them Midol-gargling jackasses over it.

I agree, but that is something that seems to be overlooked in all of this.  I agree with him on principal, but I also do not hold the office of President on a pedestal either.  Its just a job title that costs millions to get that pays very little and is nothing better than a corporate shill

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mike3775 wrote: yellowdog wrote: srossi wrote: Somehow I doubt the people who object to this felt the same way over the handful of athletes who refused to meet with Bush over the years.  They were right then, and Thomas is right now.  This is a non-story.  He doesn't have to go anywhere he doesn't want to go and he doesn't even have to respect anyone he doesn't want to respect.  I seem to recall this country being founded on a shocking lack of respect for certain members of royalty.
  You have the "right" to do a lot of things.  That doesn't make it the right thing to do.
I love how people are supposed to do the "right thing" even if it conflicts with their views.



conflicting with their views how?  because they are conservative and don't agree with policies and decisions of a specific administration?  because they feel that blacks are inferior?  I don't even think that is the reason, but who knows?  I thought conservatives were the ones who were supposed to be Patriotic.  Most people don't even understand why their views conflict. 



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yellowdog wrote: mike3775 wrote: yellowdog wrote: srossi wrote: Somehow I doubt the people who object to this felt the same way over the handful of athletes who refused to meet with Bush over the years.  They were right then, and Thomas is right now.  This is a non-story.  He doesn't have to go anywhere he doesn't want to go and he doesn't even have to respect anyone he doesn't want to respect.  I seem to recall this country being founded on a shocking lack of respect for certain members of royalty.
  You have the "right" to do a lot of things.  That doesn't make it the right thing to do.
I love how people are supposed to do the "right thing" even if it conflicts with their views.



conflicting with their views how?  because they are conservative and don't agree with policies and decisions of a specific administration?  because they feel that blacks are inferior?  I don't even think that is the reason, but who knows?  I thought conservatives were the ones who were supposed to be Patriotic.  Most people don't even understand why their views conflict. 
If he didn't vote for the guy(which I highly doubt he did), why should he be forced to have a photo op with the guy?


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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: yellowdog wrote: lobo316 wrote: Who cares ? He's only an athlete. Those of you who think he's an asshole for
not meeting Obama, I ask this.
Would you feel the same way about player X who refused to meet Dubya, if
Dubya was still Pres ?

yes... I wrote two different times in this thread.


Same here...as much as I hated Dubya, I think a move like this shows little class and just serves to build grow and already large division in this country.

And again, I can't reiterate enough, I'm a huge mark for Tim Thomas.

 

I'm glad Thomas exercised his right of free thought. If he doesn't want to meet Pres., fine.
I wouldn't want to meet the Pres, whether he/she be Dem/Rep, liberal/conservative,
white/black,  whatever. I would refuse the invitation even if the pres was
Chinese.


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mike3775 wrote: yellowdog wrote: mike3775 wrote: yellowdog wrote: srossi wrote: Somehow I doubt the people who object to this felt the same way over the handful of athletes who refused to meet with Bush over the years.  They were right then, and Thomas is right now.  This is a non-story.  He doesn't have to go anywhere he doesn't want to go and he doesn't even have to respect anyone he doesn't want to respect.  I seem to recall this country being founded on a shocking lack of respect for certain members of royalty.
  You have the "right" to do a lot of things.  That doesn't make it the right thing to do.
I love how people are supposed to do the "right thing" even if it conflicts with their views.



conflicting with their views how?  because they are conservative and don't agree with policies and decisions of a specific administration?  because they feel that blacks are inferior?  I don't even think that is the reason, but who knows?  I thought conservatives were the ones who were supposed to be Patriotic.  Most people don't even understand why their views conflict. 
If he didn't vote for the guy(which I highly doubt he did), why should he be forced to have a photo op with the guy?



I feel like I'm talking in circles here...  He should not be forced to have a photo op, but so what if he didn't vote for him?  Respect for the office, our country and the President. 



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yellowdog wrote: srossi wrote: Somehow I doubt the people who object to this felt the same way over the handful of athletes who refused to meet with Bush over the years.  They were right then, and Thomas is right now.  This is a non-story.  He doesn't have to go anywhere he doesn't want to go and he doesn't even have to respect anyone he doesn't want to respect.  I seem to recall this country being founded on a shocking lack of respect for certain members of royalty.
I would have had the same reaction regardless of political affiliation.  I think I said that in my first post about this.  The first time this pissed me off was when some members of the Ryder Cup team were whining about meeting with Clinton.  It has become a tradition in this country that championship teams get invited to the White House.  It's about respect... respect for the office, respect for the country and respect for the President.  So Rossi, you're suggesting we're on the verge of a revolution like in 1776?  Tim Thomas not going to the White House is like our founders signing the Declaration of Independence and going to war with England? See how silly that looks when you read it?  You have the "right" to do a lot of things.  That doesn't make it the right thing to do.

I see how silly it is when smart people suddenly act dumb to try to prove their point.  This isn't about being on the verge of a revolution, this is about the presidency not being a God-bestowed monarchy and the office not being treated as such in this country, a principle deeply rooted in the very foundation of this country and driven home by George Washington in all of his early speeches after becoming our first president.  This "respect the office" cry is a joke when no one respects the office when it's held by the "other team".  I'd love to see how respectful you'll be to the office if any of this GOP crop actually were elected after all of the "batshit crazy" comments on this board about them.  To betray your opinions and shake the hand of some of these morons just because they have a title is not what this country is about.  I for one wouldn't have been able to look myself in the mirror if I ever shook Bush's hand for a photo op after everything he did, he was nothing short of a monster and a despicable human.  My opinions aren't as strong about Obama but the principle remains the same for his detractors.  So you're either not as principled as you'd like to be or you're lying.  I actually think it's the latter.  This is where the super-partisans run into trouble on this board, the lack of consistency can never be reconciled.  



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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: srossi wrote:
Somehow I doubt the people who object to this felt the same way over the handful of athletes who refused to meet with Bush over the years.  They were right then, and Thomas is right now.  This is a non-story.  He doesn't have to go anywhere he doesn't want to go and he doesn't even have to respect anyone he doesn't want to respect.  I seem to recall this country being founded on a shocking lack of respect for certain members of royalty.
I don't think I remember any athletes blatantly no-showing over the years, much less any no-showing Bush or because of political reasons. Do you really remember any specifically? The only one I can remember not turning up was Manny, but that was because he was a dope and probably overslept. But it certainly wasn't driven by politics.


James Harrison of the Steelers after they won the 2006 Super Bowl.  Joey Porter on that same team reluctantly went, wearing dark sunglasses, and said he intended to tell Bush off, but wound up not doing it.  And sek of all people would know this full well.  That's why he's my first example. 

I also remember when Bush threw out the first pitch before the 2001 World Series, a group of 5 or 6 Yankees kept their distance in the locker room and wouldn't greet him for political reasons, but given the whole 9/11 thing didn't want to make a big deal about it.  It was just done, they wouldn't take part in the glad-handing and went about their business.  No big deal. 

Edit: Also Pedro Martinez claimed he had a "scheduling problem", a ridiculous and vague excuse when invited to the White House, but he no-showed a Bush meeting as well.


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yellowdog wrote: mike3775 wrote: yellowdog wrote: mike3775 wrote: yellowdog wrote: srossi wrote: Somehow I doubt the people who object to this felt the same way over the handful of athletes who refused to meet with Bush over the years.  They were right then, and Thomas is right now.  This is a non-story.  He doesn't have to go anywhere he doesn't want to go and he doesn't even have to respect anyone he doesn't want to respect.  I seem to recall this country being founded on a shocking lack of respect for certain members of royalty.
  You have the "right" to do a lot of things.  That doesn't make it the right thing to do.
I love how people are supposed to do the "right thing" even if it conflicts with their views.



conflicting with their views how?  because they are conservative and don't agree with policies and decisions of a specific administration?  because they feel that blacks are inferior?  I don't even think that is the reason, but who knows?  I thought conservatives were the ones who were supposed to be Patriotic.  Most people don't even understand why their views conflict. 
If he didn't vote for the guy(which I highly doubt he did), why should he be forced to have a photo op with the guy?



I feel like I'm talking in circles here...  He should not be forced to have a photo op, but so what if he didn't vote for him?  Respect for the office, our country and the President. 
If he has no respect for the office, its no big deal.  People are making this out to be bigger than it really is. 

Remember respect is earned, not a given

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