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 Posted: Tue Jan 24th, 2012 08:33 pm
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BayouBoogie wrote: tofu_chipmunk wrote: BayouBoogie wrote: Further, I think Rep What-his-name SHOULD yell "liar" if the Pres is lying through his teeth.  Just going along with shit you strongly disagree with & keeping your mouth shut because tradition dictates you should is NOT the way it's supposed to be done. 

I'm of the opinion that Joe Wilson yelled that to score Tea Party cred points.  I doubt beej can convert those to Congressional mana.



He probably did. He seems like a bit of a glory hounding D-Bag, but I can't say what the man's motives were, and Obama WAS lying through his teeth, so I'm glad someone spoke spoke out about it.

Per the article I linked, Obama was not lying in the statement that preluded the outburst by Wilson.

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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: BayouBoogie wrote: tofu_chipmunk wrote: BayouBoogie wrote: Further, I think Rep What-his-name SHOULD yell "liar" if the Pres is lying through his teeth.  Just going along with shit you strongly disagree with & keeping your mouth shut because tradition dictates you should is NOT the way it's supposed to be done. 

I'm of the opinion that Joe Wilson yelled that to score Tea Party cred points.  I doubt beej can convert those to Congressional mana.



He probably did. He seems like a bit of a glory hounding D-Bag, but I can't say what the man's motives were, and Obama WAS lying through his teeth, so I'm glad someone spoke spoke out about it.

If you give a speech some day, let me know, because I wouldn't miss it for the world.  I'll heckle you so much that your head will spin around like Reagan MacNeil.

If you say I'm being disrespectful or ignorant or downright uncivil, I'll say tough shit, it's my right to do it and FUCK YOU if you think otherwise.

See what I'm getting at here?  Probably not.


I think we're getting off track with a comparison of a Rep in the act of conducting business and a private citizen who basically didn't do anything at all.  The Rep was absolutely looking for the cred points and he got them.  His name is out there, he's trying to climb the ladder in his party, and he got cold, hard cash in return from supporters.  That's partisan politics as usual and I don't agree with it.  He could've rebutted through the media like everyone else but he wanted to make a spectacle of himself and mission accomplished.  And if someone was to scream "Liar" every time a politician lied, all you'd hear is an infinite scream of "Liar" until everyone in politics was hoarse, which might not be such a bad thing.  But I don't see how that incident enters into anything else in this thread though. 



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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: BayouBoogie wrote: tofu_chipmunk wrote: BayouBoogie wrote: Further, I think Rep What-his-name SHOULD yell "liar" if the Pres is lying through his teeth.  Just going along with shit you strongly disagree with & keeping your mouth shut because tradition dictates you should is NOT the way it's supposed to be done. 

I'm of the opinion that Joe Wilson yelled that to score Tea Party cred points.  I doubt beej can convert those to Congressional mana.



He probably did. He seems like a bit of a glory hounding D-Bag, but I can't say what the man's motives were, and Obama WAS lying through his teeth, so I'm glad someone spoke spoke out about it.

If you give a speech some day, let me know, because I wouldn't miss it for the world.  I'll heckle you so much that your head will spin around like Reagan MacNeil.

If you say I'm being disrespectful or ignorant or downright uncivil, I'll say tough shit, it's my right to do it and FUCK YOU if you think otherwise.

See what I'm getting at here?  Probably not.

I will let you know when that happens. 

Just like the Gingrich is upset because NBC News didn't allow applause in the Republican Debate.  Why not?

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tofu_chipmunk wrote: BayouBoogie wrote: tofu_chipmunk wrote: BayouBoogie wrote: Further, I think Rep What-his-name SHOULD yell "liar" if the Pres is lying through his teeth.  Just going along with shit you strongly disagree with & keeping your mouth shut because tradition dictates you should is NOT the way it's supposed to be done. 

I'm of the opinion that Joe Wilson yelled that to score Tea Party cred points.  I doubt beej can convert those to Congressional mana.



He probably did. He seems like a bit of a glory hounding D-Bag, but I can't say what the man's motives were, and Obama WAS lying through his teeth, so I'm glad someone spoke spoke out about it.

Per the article I linked, Obama was not lying in the statement that preluded the outburst by Wilson.



OK, then "Joe Wilson" was wrong. But my point wasn't backing "Wilson." It was bakcing the idea that we need to speak out when we feel it's necessary.

 

And rossi is again on point. The Wilson scenario really has nothing to do with giving Thomas grief for declining the invitation.

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lobo316 wrote:

here's his statement

 

 

I believe the Federal government has grown out of control, threatening the Rights, Liberties, and Property of the People.

This is being done at the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial level. This is in direct opposition to the Constitution and the Founding Fathers vision for the Federal government.

Because I believe this, today I exercised my right as a Free Citizen, and did not visit the White House. This was not about politics or party, as in my opinion both parties are responsible for the situation we are in as a country. This was about a choice I had to make as an INDIVIDUAL.

This is the only public statement I will be making on this topic.

TT

 

 

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/175798/tim-thomas-boston-bruins-goalie-calls-bullshit-on-u-s-govt-with-naive-libertarian-statement/

Wouldn't have been better for him to speak to the one man in the country that could do something about it?



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BayouBoogie wrote: BTW, it is NOT your legal right to act like that in a structured setting. Not sure where you get that idea from. You could be kicked out of a comedy club for too much of that, much less a friggin speech. A damn bar owner can kick you out if he doesn't like the way you are acting. You can be kicked out of a convenience store for harassing people. How can you think you have the right to continually disrupt a speech with no consequences?
Meh.



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kargol wrote:
lobo316 wrote:

here's his statement

 

 

I believe the Federal government has grown out of control, threatening the Rights, Liberties, and Property of the People.

This is being done at the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial level. This is in direct opposition to the Constitution and the Founding Fathers vision for the Federal government.

Because I believe this, today I exercised my right as a Free Citizen, and did not visit the White House. This was not about politics or party, as in my opinion both parties are responsible for the situation we are in as a country. This was about a choice I had to make as an INDIVIDUAL.

This is the only public statement I will be making on this topic.

TT

 

 

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/175798/tim-thomas-boston-bruins-goalie-calls-bullshit-on-u-s-govt-with-naive-libertarian-statement/

Wouldn't have been better for him to speak to the one man in the country that could do something about it?


I don't think so. The political/corporate property he could have met at that White House photo op knows good and damn well that many people feel the way Thomas does, whether it's from his heart, a Tea Party talking point, or both. Glad handing and bullshitting isn't going to do anything in this particular instance.

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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote:
BayouBoogie wrote: BTW, it is NOT your legal right to act like that in a structured setting. Not sure where you get that idea from. You could be kicked out of a comedy club for too much of that, much less a friggin speech. A damn bar owner can kick you out if he doesn't like the way you are acting. You can be kicked out of a convenience store for harassing people. How can you think you have the right to continually disrupt a speech with no consequences?
Meh.


Well? Seriously. Your example made no sense. How is yelling a phrase to make a point (no matter how assholish and unprofessional it may be) the same as what you described? And how do you think "it's your right" to do what you described? I certainly wouldn't allow it if it were my event (unless I'm running wrestling matches, an athletic event, or some kind of audience participation based show). What Wilson did and what you described aren't even close to the same thing. Nor are they relevant to the discussion at hand.

And sorry I'm going so strongly, as you really do seem like a solid guy. One of the people on here I would enjoy grabbing a beer and some laughs with. I know I can come across harsh sometimes, but I just feel that some of your arguments on this are an exercise in logical fallacy. He didn't chastise the President until his head spun like Linda Blair, he didn't piss on anything or destroy any property, he didn't flip Obama off and shout him down in front of people, he didn't even rudely interrupt him with an accusation like Rep Wilson did. He politely declined an invite to the White House. How all the other stuff pertains, I'm not sure. I'm also not sure why James Harrison doing it because he didn't feel like going is acceptable if Thomas not going because he didn't want to isn't?

Those analogies weren't even close to being relevant. I can't help but think, having read this whole thread, that the facts that Obama is the President in question and the athlete in question is a Tea Partier are coloring your opinion.


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kargol wrote: lobo316 wrote:

here's his statement

 

 

I believe the Federal government has grown out of control, threatening the Rights, Liberties, and Property of the People.

This is being done at the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial level. This is in direct opposition to the Constitution and the Founding Fathers vision for the Federal government.

Because I believe this, today I exercised my right as a Free Citizen, and did not visit the White House. This was not about politics or party, as in my opinion both parties are responsible for the situation we are in as a country. This was about a choice I had to make as an INDIVIDUAL.

This is the only public statement I will be making on this topic.

TT

 

 

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/175798/tim-thomas-boston-bruins-goalie-calls-bullshit-on-u-s-govt-with-naive-libertarian-statement/

Wouldn't have been better for him to speak to the one man in the country that could do something about it?
From what I have read about these things, there really isn't much time to talk to the President.  Its basically show up X amount of time prior to the event, get placed where you are going to be filmed at(usually the rose garden or the East Room),  The President shows up, does a few minutes of mugging for the camera's, gets the jersey, the President speaks, more mugging for camera's then secret service escorts the team towards the exit.  These typically do not last much longer than 30-45 minutes and are planned down to the minute for the most part

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BayouBoogie wrote:
dogfacedgremlin34 wrote:
BayouBoogie wrote: BTW, it is NOT your legal right to act like that in a structured setting. Not sure where you get that idea from. You could be kicked out of a comedy club for too much of that, much less a friggin speech. A damn bar owner can kick you out if he doesn't like the way you are acting. You can be kicked out of a convenience store for harassing people. How can you think you have the right to continually disrupt a speech with no consequences?
Meh.


Well? Seriously. Your example made no sense. How is yelling a phrase to make a point (no matter how assholish and unprofessional it may be) the same as what you described? And how do you think "it's your right" to do what you described? I certainly wouldn't allow it if it were my event (unless I'm running wrestling matches, an athletic event, or some kind of audience participation based show). What Wilson did and what you described aren't even close to the same thing. Nor are they relevant to the discussion at hand.

And sorry I'm going so strongly, as you really do seem like a solid guy. One of the people on here I would enjoy grabbing a beer and some laughs with. I know I can come across harsh sometimes, but I just feel that some of your arguments on this are an exercise in logical fallacy. He didn't chastise the President until his head spun like Linda Blair, he didn't piss on anything or destroy any property, he didn't flip Obama off and shout him down in front of people, he didn't even rudely interrupt him with an accusation like Rep Wilson did. He politely declined an invite to the White House. How all the other stuff pertains, I'm not sure. I'm also not sure why James Harrison doing it because he didn't feel like going is acceptable if Thomas not going because he didn't want to isn't?

Those analogies weren't even close to being relevant. I can't help but think, having read this whole thread, that the facts that Obama is the President in question and the athlete in question is a Tea Partier are coloring your opinion.



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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote:
BayouBoogie wrote:
dogfacedgremlin34 wrote:
BayouBoogie wrote: BTW, it is NOT your legal right to act like that in a structured setting. Not sure where you get that idea from. You could be kicked out of a comedy club for too much of that, much less a friggin speech. A damn bar owner can kick you out if he doesn't like the way you are acting. You can be kicked out of a convenience store for harassing people. How can you think you have the right to continually disrupt a speech with no consequences?
Meh.


Well? Seriously. Your example made no sense. How is yelling a phrase to make a point (no matter how assholish and unprofessional it may be) the same as what you described? And how do you think "it's your right" to do what you described? I certainly wouldn't allow it if it were my event (unless I'm running wrestling matches, an athletic event, or some kind of audience participation based show). What Wilson did and what you described aren't even close to the same thing. Nor are they relevant to the discussion at hand.

And sorry I'm going so strongly, as you really do seem like a solid guy. One of the people on here I would enjoy grabbing a beer and some laughs with. I know I can come across harsh sometimes, but I just feel that some of your arguments on this are an exercise in logical fallacy. He didn't chastise the President until his head spun like Linda Blair, he didn't piss on anything or destroy any property, he didn't flip Obama off and shout him down in front of people, he didn't even rudely interrupt him with an accusation like Rep Wilson did. He politely declined an invite to the White House. How all the other stuff pertains, I'm not sure. I'm also not sure why James Harrison doing it because he didn't feel like going is acceptable if Thomas not going because he didn't want to isn't?

Those analogies weren't even close to being relevant. I can't help but think, having read this whole thread, that the facts that Obama is the President in question and the athlete in question is a Tea Partier are coloring your opinion.



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What a twat.



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BayouBoogie wrote:

And sorry I'm going so strongly, as you really do seem like a solid guy. One of the people on here I would enjoy grabbing a beer and some laughs with.


Oh, and by the way, thanks; for the record, I'm usually in pretty solid form in any establishment that has unlimited access to booze.

That's why I now drink Sloe Gin Fizzies at work throughout the course of my day.

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You can tell it's almost POTY time when all kinds of people come out of the wood work the last few weeks and stir it up.



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You can tell it's almost POTY time when all kinds of people come out of the wood work the last few weeks and stir it up.

You got my vote punkass.



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mike3775 wrote: He isn't the first athlete to not go to an invitation and he sure as hell won't be the last. 


According to today's PTI some big names to pass on meeting The Prez include Michael Jordan ( played golf instead ), Larry Bird and Manny Ramirez who was probably afraid of getting tested that day.



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