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If the Pats do win their 4th SB this Sunday, in your opinion who is the best QB who has won 4 Super Bowls.

You will have Tom Brady, Joe Montana and Terry Bradshaw to pick from on this list.

In my opinion, Bradshaw is out immediately, because most of his Super Bowl years relied on a heavy defense and running to bring home the trophies.  Although, if you look at the last SBs, Bradshaw did wing it alot more and the passing attack became a key part of the Steelers success.

This is a real tough one to answer for me. 

Montana was more mobile than Brady.  He also had one of the best receivers, if not the best receiver, to ever play the game in Jerry Rice. 

Montana has Walsh....Brady has Belichik. 

Montana had the system west-coast offense put into place by Walsh, but Brady is like a surgeon.  He finds that one weakness or crack in a defense and then exploits it and turning it into points on the board.

I cannot remember how Montana acted under pressure.  I do not think he got rattled easily.  This is a flaw I see with Brady....you put some pressure on him and it will throw his game off.

I don't why, other than I like watching Brady take apart a defense piece by piece, but I am taking Brady in this match-up.

Who is your pick and what is your opinion?




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Even if he wins Sunday, Brady is 3rd out of the 3 because he lost one..Terry and Joe never did.

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Montana.......the best.

Im still amazed that a team w/the 31st ranked defense is in the sb.

IMO, deja vu all over again from 07, except that NEs D is shit. Im predicting the Pats go down again to the Giants.



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Married Jo wrote:
Even if he wins Sunday, Brady is 3rd out of the 3 because he lost one..Terry and Joe never did.

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And Montana only had Rice for two of the Super Bowl wins.

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stingmark wrote:
Married Jo wrote:
Even if he wins Sunday, Brady is 3rd out of the 3 because he lost one..Terry and Joe never did.

This too.


I can't get that logic at all. Going 18-0 on the way to losing in the last minute of a great Super Bowl is worse than losing in the playoffs and never making the Super Bowl at all?? :?

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Joe is GOD.
last minute game winning drive
Zero ints in SB
First SB he had nothing to work with.



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Benlen wrote: First SB he had nothing to work with.
Who are you to question Freddie Solomon, Dwight Clark, Ricky Patton, and Earl Cooper?

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Brady never really had any great receivers during his SB runs, did he?  The only ones that come to mind for me are Deion Branch and Troy Brown.



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tofu_chipmunk wrote:
Benlen wrote: First SB he had nothing to work with.
Who are you to question Freddie Solomon, Dwight Clark, Ricky Patton, and Earl Cooper?

Or Charlie Young,Mike Shumann,Lenvil Elliott, and an offensive line consisting of one tackle and 4 guards.



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BayouBoogie wrote:
stingmark wrote:
Married Jo wrote:
Even if he wins Sunday, Brady is 3rd out of the 3 because he lost one..Terry and Joe never did.

This too.


I can't get that logic at all. Going 18-0 on the way to losing in the last minute of a great Super Bowl is worse than losing in the playoffs and never making the Super Bowl at all?? :?


True. However, any way you slice it, Brady has a loss in the sb, whereas the other 2 do not. 18-0 or not, Brady didnt win. When/if they lose on SS, he'll then be 3-2 in sbs....how would he be considered " the best evah" w/2 sb losses, and others who are undefeated in sbs, wouldnt be ranked higher/ better? Hell, if he loses again, Aikmen would be " better" than Brady imo, why? Aikmen has same amnt of rings, and no sb losses.

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stingmark wrote: BayouBoogie wrote:
stingmark wrote:
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Even if he wins Sunday, Brady is 3rd out of the 3 because he lost one..Terry and Joe never did.

This too.


I can't get that logic at all. Going 18-0 on the way to losing in the last minute of a great Super Bowl is worse than losing in the playoffs and never making the Super Bowl at all?? :?


True. However, any way you slice it, Brady has a loss in the sb, whereas the other 2 do not. 18-0 or not, Brady didnt win. When/if they lose on SS, he'll then be 3-2 in sbs....how would he be considered " the best evah" w/2 sb losses, and others who are undefeated in sbs, wouldnt be ranked higher/ better? Hell, if he loses again, Aikmen would be " better" than Brady imo, why? Aikmen has same amnt of rings, and no sb losses.

so the fact that Brady got to one more Superbowl than the others doesn't count?  Even though he lost?  And he has gotten to the Superbowl nearly 50% of the time he has played.  I'm not even convinced he is better than Montana was, but I also don't think you can compare decades.  The fact that he and his team made it five times to the Superbowl when parity is at it's highest and dominant teams are becoming a thing of the past, gives him a pretty high pedigree. 

Frankly, the QB is arguably the leader of the team (tell Trent Dilfer that), but whether the team wins or loses the Superbowl is generally because of the team's play and not just the QB.  Brady may have been involved in one loss at a Superbowl, but it wasn't due to a sub par performance on his part.  Teams win Superbowls, not QBs.   Hard to blame Brady for allowing David Tyree to make that catch with his helmet to essentially seal the deal for the Giants. 



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Brady has the hottest wife of all of them. It makes him the best.

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stingmark wrote:
BayouBoogie wrote:
stingmark wrote:
Married Jo wrote:
Even if he wins Sunday, Brady is 3rd out of the 3 because he lost one..Terry and Joe never did.

This too.


I can't get that logic at all. Going 18-0 on the way to losing in the last minute of a great Super Bowl is worse than losing in the playoffs and never making the Super Bowl at all?? :?


True. However, any way you slice it, Brady has a loss in the sb, whereas the other 2 do not. 18-0 or not, Brady didnt win. When/if they lose on SS, he'll then be 3-2 in sbs....how would he be considered " the best evah" w/2 sb losses, and others who are undefeated in sbs, wouldnt be ranked higher/ better? Hell, if he loses again, Aikmen would be " better" than Brady imo, why? Aikmen has same amnt of rings, and no sb losses.


Sorry, but I don't consider losing in your 4th of 5 Super Bowls to be ANY kind of failure. Even if we weren't talking about an undefeated season ended on one of the biggest miracle plays in NFL history, I will never consider losing a tight Super Bowl to be something that actually lowers your status. I actually think that thinking is ludicrous.

The idea that one QB is better than another because he has the same amount of wins in fewer trips doesn't compute to me. Jim Kelly, Fran Tarkenton and Dan Marino are 0-8 in Super Bowls and I can name a slew of Super Bowl winners who aren't in their league.

Last edited on Fri Feb 3rd, 2012 01:36 am by BayouBoogie

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Tough call. Montana had a very hard time with the Giants from 1985-90 in the playoffs though, going 0-3 against Belichick's D. The pts scored in those games: 0, 3, 12.



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