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 Posted: Fri Feb 3rd, 2012 01:46 am
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I still lean toward Montana a little.  He played in an era where you could be much more physical on the defensive end and he was the best QB in the league for years.  I still contend had Montana played in his prime in today's NFL, he could've thrown for over 5500 yards in a season.

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Even if he wins Sunday, Brady is 3rd out of the 3 because he lost one..Terry and Joe never did.

You are down grading him because he went to 5 SB's and the others only went to 4?

By that logic the Lions were more successful in the 90's than the Bills because they both won 0 SBs, but the Bills lost 4.



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I like Brady better, but I give the slightest edge to Montana just on a gut feeling.

Terry is underrated as far as great QBs go. The perception seem to be he was the caretaker on a power running team with a dominating defense.

I think that was his job because that's what the Steelers needed to win. When they needed a big play he always seemed to be able to come through. My opinion on Bradshaw was the system/team kind of held him back, because the other components were good enough to win without his heroics.



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The Ultimate Sin wrote: I like Brady better, but I give the slightest edge to Montana just on a gut feeling.

Terry is underrated as far as great QBs go. The perception seem to be he was the caretaker on a power running team with a dominating defense.

I think that was his job because that's what the Steelers needed to win. When they needed a big play he always seemed to be able to come through. My opinion on Bradshaw was the system/team kind of held him back, because the other components were good enough to win without his heroics.

I'm sure an older Steelers fan would know better, but I feel like Bradshaw got better as he got older.  They really won their last 2 SBs on his arm.

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nyhack56 wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: I like Brady better, but I give the slightest edge to Montana just on a gut feeling.

Terry is underrated as far as great QBs go. The perception seem to be he was the caretaker on a power running team with a dominating defense.

I think that was his job because that's what the Steelers needed to win. When they needed a big play he always seemed to be able to come through. My opinion on Bradshaw was the system/team kind of held him back, because the other components were good enough to win without his heroics.

I'm sure an older Steelers fan would know better, but I feel like Bradshaw got better as he got older.  They really won their last 2 SBs on his arm.

You are correct. Bradshaw almost lost his job to Joe Gilliam the first year The Steelers won the Super Bowl. He improved a ton once the Steelers won their first Super Bowl. But he's not in the class of Brady or Montana.

Brady or Montana is a tough call for the eras thing mentioned earlier. The rules are so much different now.



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clawmaster wrote: nyhack56 wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: I like Brady better, but I give the slightest edge to Montana just on a gut feeling.

Terry is underrated as far as great QBs go. The perception seem to be he was the caretaker on a power running team with a dominating defense.

I think that was his job because that's what the Steelers needed to win. When they needed a big play he always seemed to be able to come through. My opinion on Bradshaw was the system/team kind of held him back, because the other components were good enough to win without his heroics.

I'm sure an older Steelers fan would know better, but I feel like Bradshaw got better as he got older.  They really won their last 2 SBs on his arm.

You are correct. Bradshaw almost lost his job to Joe Gilliam the first year The Steelers won the Super Bowl. He improved a ton once the Steelers won their first Super Bowl. But he's not in the class of Brady or Montana.

Brady or Montana is a tough call for the eras thing mentioned earlier. The rules are so much different now.


The league was changing as did the Steelers in their concept of offensive philosophy. 


There running game attempts declined as the dynasty years progressed. In 1979 they were almost at a 50% balance between running and passing.

I think the big rule changes that greatly affected the passing game occurred in 1978.

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The Ultimate Sin wrote:


I think that was his job because that's what the Steelers needed to win. When they needed a big play he always seemed to be able to come through. My opinion on Bradshaw was the system/team kind of held him back, because the other components were good enough to win without his heroics.


I agree. I put Troy Aikman in a similar light.

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Tough call. Montana had a very hard time with the Giants from 1985-90 in the playoffs though, going 0-3 against Belichick's D. The pts scored in those games: 0, 3, 12.

The 17-3 game Montana had back surgury that year. Some say he came back too early. It was Montana's worst year.
Niners were lead by Jeff Kemp half the time.

The 49-3 game. It was a day everything went wrong.

The 15-13 game the Giants knocked out Montana (for two seasons). Roger Craig dropped in every Niner fans book when he fumbled. Didn't help when he blamed the blocking.



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1A. Montana
1B. Brady

Brady lead the Pats to Game winning FG's in two SBs
Montana had to drive 92 yards for a winning TD to win a SB.
You can't go wrong with either guy on your team.



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This is exactly why I want the Giants to win. Don't want to see Brady win a fourth.



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tystates wrote: This is exactly why I want the Giants to win. Don't want to see Brady win a fourth.
The Giants really have a good chance to win. Their defensive line has been playing tremendous. TE Rob Gronkowski for the Pats is injured with an ankle sprain. He'll play but will not be at one hundred percent. Other than Brady, Gronkowski is the best offensive player New England has.



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clawmaster wrote: tystates wrote: This is exactly why I want the Giants to win. Don't want to see Brady win a fourth.
The Giants really have a good chance to win. Their defensive line has been playing tremendous. TE Rob Gronkowski for the Pats is injured with an ankle sprain. He'll play but will not be at one hundred percent. Other than Brady, Gronkowski is the best offensive player New England has.


and that's a really great point.  If Gronk is not 100% or even close to it and the Pats lose, how does that reflect negatively on Brady's all-time status?  and if he wins without a healthy Gronk, then what?



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Papa Voo wrote: Brady never really had any great receivers during his SB runs, did he?  The only ones that come to mind for me are Deion Branch and Troy Brown.

I'm not sure if you're counting his last SB run, but he did have Moss that year and it was a pretty good year for the two. 

I still lean toward Montana a little. He played in an era where you could be much more physical on the defensive end and he was the best QB in the league for years. I still contend had Montana played in his prime in today's NFL, he could've thrown for over 5500 yards in a season.
I'm with Hack here.  With so many rules in place that basically protects the receivers and the QB's from taking hardly any physical hits, they're bound to get more yards and more favorable calls.  Montana didn't have it nearly as easy as Brady does.  Hell, watch Brady now...almost every time a defender gets to him and lays a hand on him, he's crying for a flag to be thrown.  And it sure seems more often than not, he gets it.

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Prefer Brady to all of the above. We're talking about an offense that has put up 500+ points a season three out of the past five years.

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I gotta give it to Montana. Those 49ers were somewhat dominant. The Pats have barely gotten by in some of the Super Bowls.



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