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 Posted: Tue Feb 7th, 2012 11:48 pm
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tofu_chipmunk wrote:
The Ultimate Sin wrote: stingmark wrote:
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Fair or not, this game takes Brady out of the Bradshaw/Montana discussion and puts him in the Elway/Staubach discussion.  Of course, it's no mark of shame to be in either discussion.

Elway is better than Bradshaw and so is Brady. Bradshaw is not a top 5 or even top 10 QB in league history.



Bradshaw/Montana are both undefeated in SBs. Hell, Aikmens better than Elway, more rings & more SB wins.


That's quite a foolish way of judging QBs since quarterbacks don't win titles, it's teams that win. Elway was better at every aspect of quarterbacking than both Aikman and Bradshaw and if he had great coaching and defense similar to those 2 he'd have a lot more titles.


Elway did have great coaching, he went to 4 straight sbs, and lost all 4.


What years were Elway's 4 straight Super Bowls?

You must have forgotten his disguising himself and changing his name to Boomer Esiason, before getting tired of that and going back to being John Elway.  Garth Brooks ripped off this idea for the Chris Gaines experiment.


Pat Summeral called several plays that Elway was involved in during that Patriots-Rams Super Bowl.

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BayouBoogie wrote: Pat Summeral called several plays that Elway was involved in during that Patriots-Rams Super Bowl.
Poor Pat's mind is continuously a couple of years behind the times now.  He was telling everyone within earshot not to fly in the fall of 2003.

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Correction:Denver went to 3 straight sbs,.5.overall. Im thinking of Buffalo going to 4 straight, my bad.

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There's no point in discussing QB play with someone who

Stats prove what? Elway has more touchdowns, completions, passing yards, running yards, just about every stat imaginable over those 3 and he dominated for a longer count the rings completely ignores everything else and is stupid.
You say stats dont matter, then cite a bunch for Elway. When the games on the line,
I can think of atleast 5-6 other guys Id take before ahead of him. Below .500 in the big game is by no means "dominant", regular season stats mean nothing, Marino is perfect example of that.

When did I ever said stats don't matter? You're the guy guy who claimed that those guys has better stats than Elway when that it's easily false. And to say Dan Marino and John Elway weren't dominant means 1 of 2 things either that you know nothing about football or you never watched their play in the 80's and 90's.
Both guys are top 10 ever with a strong case for top 5.


Never said neither sucked, nor werent great. Its all a matter of opinion. I dont care about how great Tom Brady is, you could actually say that he hasnt had good WRs either, like Elway. I saw both Marino&Elway play. I dont think either are in the league.of Montana/Bradshaw, I just dont. I also dont think Brady is the greatest either. But hes there w/guys like:aikmen & so forth.

The op claimed that Brady could be the.best evah, which just isnt true, win or lose last Sunday. To discount losses in sbs though id foolish too imo. Someone here claimed qbs dont win games by themselves, and its a team game. Yet, now, its so and so didnt have anybody on his team &thats why he lost. You win or lose as a team, you can no more make the claim that so and so is the greatest w/o having to take into account theirw/l record. Elway is below .500 as great as he is, others arent. I take the guys w/the better record, you dont. No big deal.

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stingmark wrote: Correction:Denver went to 3 straight sbs,.5.overall. Im thinking of Buffalo going to 4 straight, my bad.
The nitpicking police says Denver went to Super Bowls XXI, XXII, and XXIV.  Cincinnati was in Super Bowl XXIII.

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tofu_chipmunk wrote: stingmark wrote: Correction:Denver went to 3 straight sbs,.5.overall. Im thinking of Buffalo going to 4 straight, my bad.
The nitpicking police says Denver went to Super Bowls XXI, XXII, and XXIV.  Cincinnati was in Super Bowl XXIII.
back when the NFC was totally dominating the Superbowl

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mike3775 wrote: tofu_chipmunk wrote: stingmark wrote: Correction:Denver went to 3 straight sbs,.5.overall. Im thinking of Buffalo going to 4 straight, my bad.
The nitpicking police says Denver went to Super Bowls XXI, XXII, and XXIV.  Cincinnati was in Super Bowl XXIII.
back when the NFC was totally dominating the Superbowl

Yeah, the Broncos/Bills days of dominance were dark times for the AFC.

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tofu_chipmunk wrote: stingmark wrote: Correction:Denver went to 3 straight sbs,.5.overall. Im thinking of Buffalo going to 4 straight, my bad.
The nitpicking police says Denver went to Super Bowls XXI, XXII, and XXIV.  Cincinnati was in Super Bowl XXIII.


we call that fact checking in our business  :)

I didn't think Denver had gone to three straight, but was too lazy to look it up. 

 



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Denver's dominance was short if at all.   I suppose the T. Davis years they were the cream of the AFC but that was very short.



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Papa Voo wrote: Denver's dominance was short if at all.   I suppose the T. Davis years they were the cream of the AFC but that was very short.

When I said "dominance", I'm talking about AFC representation in the Super Bowl.  Denver represented the AFC in Super Bowls XXI, XXII, and XXIV.  Buffalo represented the AFC in Super Bowls XXV, XXVI, XXVII, and XXVIII.  So, Denver and Buffalo represented the AFC in the Super Bowl seven out of eight years.  Additionally, Buffalo lost the AFC championship game to the Bengals prior to Super Bowl XXIII, and Denver lost to Buffalo for the right to go to Super Bowl XXVI.  Even though Denver and Buffalo combined to go 0-7 in the big game in that eight year period, I would say that seven AFC championship wins and 9 AFC championship appearances collectively qualifies as AFC dominance.

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I could go with their representation for the AFC but I was taking the word dominance to mean that they were clearly perceived as the best team in the AFC sort of like the Pats were over from around 2001 through 2007.  Eh, I guess it is just a different interpretation of the word dominance. 

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tofu_chipmunk wrote:
Papa Voo wrote: Denver's dominance was short if at all.   I suppose the T. Davis years they were the cream of the AFC but that was very short.

When I said "dominance", I'm talking about AFC representation in the Super Bowl.  Denver represented the AFC in Super Bowls XXI, XXII, and XXIV.  Buffalo represented the AFC in Super Bowls XXV, XXVI, XXVII, and XXVIII.  So, Denver and Buffalo represented the AFC in the Super Bowl seven out of eight years.  Additionally, Buffalo lost the AFC championship game to the Bengals prior to Super Bowl XXIII, and Denver lost to Buffalo for the right to go to Super Bowl XXVI.  Even though Denver and Buffalo combined to go 0-7 in the big game in that eight year period, I would say that seven AFC championship wins and 9 AFC championship appearances collectively qualifies as AFC dominance.


A Ronnie Harmon drop kept Denver and Buffalo from meeting in the AFC Championship Game after the 1989 season, as well.

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stingmark wrote:
Correction:Denver went to 3 straight sbs,.5.overall. Im thinking of Buffalo going to 4 straight, my bad.

Except it wasn't 3 either. Do you just make shit up as you type it?

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