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With Detroit clinching the AL Central and the Angels being eliminated, more votes will be going to Cabrera now.


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mike3775 wrote:
With Detroit clinching the AL Central and the Angels being eliminated, more votes will be going to Cabrera now.




What I said earlier. Trout had a heckuva year, but he won't win it.



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If Cabrera wins the Triple Crown he will become only the 15th player to ever do so. Two guys Hornsby and Williams won it twice for 17 total seasons that a TC has happened.  38 players have joined the 30-30 club.  Many players are multiple time members. Hell Bobby Bonds did it five times.  60 times it has happened in history. 

I have been impressed with Trout.  I think the kid has the natural talent and work ethic to be special.  With that said, any of you that purport to be baseball fans, while saying his season was more impressive is astounding.  If you go by numbers alone, Cabrera's feat is more rare.  Spare me the whole rare does not mean better junk either.  BA, HR, and RBIs are not some obscure stat created by ESPN to make something seem so much more epic than it really is.  Remove the emotion from it and look strictly at the numbers.  Trout is more exciting to watch, but that alone should not give him the award.

On another note, baseball has been littered with one year wonders.  It is not Trout's talent or work ethic that could derail his career, but injuries can happen. Look at Dale Alexander as proof of a wunderkind that had his career ended early because of injury.  I know medical science has  progressed tremendously since his career, but there is precedent there.  I know not the same case but look at how badly Ken Griffey Jr.'s career tailed off once injuries started piling up.  Trout has had one of the greatest rookie years in history, of that, there is no doubt.  I don't see him being the next Joe Charboneau, but sometimes guys tease and tantalize and then fall off.(For clarity I know Trout's numbers are way better just tossing a name out there of a supposed baseball savant that was a flash in the pan)



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If Cabrera wins the TC, I would vote for him.  But it's no guarantee if history is any indication.  Ted Williams won the TC twice and didn't win the MVP, and Lou Gehrig and Chuck Klein are 2 other TC winners who didn't win the MVP.  You can put an asterisk besides Klein's name though because he finished 2nd to Carl Hubbell before there was a Cy Young award. 

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6 guys have won the MVP award while having a 30-30 season so that alone is also not a lock for the MVP award. 



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Cabrera will likely win the AL MVP, but, having seen him since his callup, Trout is by a large margin the best player in MLB.

Congrats to the Orioles and A's for winning the wildcard spots in the AL.  The Angels have no one to blame but themselves.



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Road Warrior Yajuta wrote: 6 guys have won the MVP award while having a 30-30 season so that alone is also not a lock for the MVP award. 
 
Trout had a 30-40 season from the leadoff spot.



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If Cabrera leads in all 3 catagories after game 161, will he sit out the last game ?
The Tigers have already clinched.

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lobo316 wrote: If Cabrera leads in all 3 catagories after game 161, will he sit out the last game ?
The Tigers have already clinched.


I wouldn't as I'm sure there are some voters that would take that as just enough to swing their vote to Trout. I have no proof of this, just a feeling.

My take is Trout is having an awesome year but they will give the MVP to Cabrera. The thinking will be (IMO) that Trout will have many years like this one coming where he could conceivably win the MVP vote, and Cabrera's Triple Crown year is too rare not to recognize.

 

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lobo316 wrote: If Cabrera leads in all 3 catagories after game 161, will he sit out the last game ?

If he does, Ted Williams will rise from the dead, reattach his head to his body, and cut Cabrera's dick off with a dull butter knife.

Or that's the theory, anyway.



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lobo316 wrote: If Cabrera leads in all 3 catagories after game 161, will he sit out the last game ?
The Tigers have already clinched.


Ted Williams set the precedent decades ago on not being a pussy to protect your numbers.  It would reflect very poorly on him and absolutely hurt his MVP cred. 

Edit: And I see DFG was thinking the same thing at the same time.

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srossi wrote: Edit: And I see DFG was thinking the same thing at the same time.


Maybe, but I said it with much more pizzaz!

Chew on that, Yankee fan!!111



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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: srossi wrote: Edit: And I see DFG was thinking the same thing at the same time.


Maybe, but I said it with much more pizzaz!

Chew on that, Yankee fan!!111

Chew on Ted's frozen head, beaneater.



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Road Warrior Yajuta wrote:
If Cabrera wins the Triple Crown he will become only the 15th player to ever do so. Two guys Hornsby and Williams won it twice for 17 total seasons that a TC has happened.  38 players have joined the 30-30 club.  Many players are multiple time members. Hell Bobby Bonds did it five times.  60 times it has happened in history. 

I have been impressed with Trout.  I think the kid has the natural talent and work ethic to be special.  With that said, any of you that purport to be baseball fans, while saying his season was more impressive is astounding.  If you go by numbers alone, Cabrera's feat is more rare.  Spare me the whole rare does not mean better junk either.  BA, HR, and RBIs are not some obscure stat created by ESPN to make something seem so much more epic than it really is.  Remove the emotion from it and look strictly at the numbers.  Trout is more exciting to watch, but that alone should not give him the award.

On another note, baseball has been littered with one year wonders.  It is not Trout's talent or work ethic that could derail his career, but injuries can happen. Look at Dale Alexander as proof of a wunderkind that had his career ended early because of injury.  I know medical science has  progressed tremendously since his career, but there is precedent there.  I know not the same case but look at how badly Ken Griffey Jr.'s career tailed off once injuries started piling up.  Trout has had one of the greatest rookie years in history, of that, there is no doubt.  I don't see him being the next Joe Charboneau, but sometimes guys tease and tantalize and then fall off.(For clarity I know Trout's numbers are way better just tossing a name out there of a supposed baseball savant that was a flash in the pan)



But what would Trouts numbers be if he didn't miss the first part of the season because he was still in the minors? I think it was Verducci who said if Trout had been on the opening day roster, his numbers would be almost the same as Cabrera

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mike3775 wrote: Road Warrior Yajuta wrote:
If Cabrera wins the Triple Crown he will become only the 15th player to ever do so. Two guys Hornsby and Williams won it twice for 17 total seasons that a TC has happened.  38 players have joined the 30-30 club.  Many players are multiple time members. Hell Bobby Bonds did it five times.  60 times it has happened in history. 

I have been impressed with Trout.  I think the kid has the natural talent and work ethic to be special.  With that said, any of you that purport to be baseball fans, while saying his season was more impressive is astounding.  If you go by numbers alone, Cabrera's feat is more rare.  Spare me the whole rare does not mean better junk either.  BA, HR, and RBIs are not some obscure stat created by ESPN to make something seem so much more epic than it really is.  Remove the emotion from it and look strictly at the numbers.  Trout is more exciting to watch, but that alone should not give him the award.

On another note, baseball has been littered with one year wonders.  It is not Trout's talent or work ethic that could derail his career, but injuries can happen. Look at Dale Alexander as proof of a wunderkind that had his career ended early because of injury.  I know medical science has  progressed tremendously since his career, but there is precedent there.  I know not the same case but look at how badly Ken Griffey Jr.'s career tailed off once injuries started piling up.  Trout has had one of the greatest rookie years in history, of that, there is no doubt.  I don't see him being the next Joe Charboneau, but sometimes guys tease and tantalize and then fall off.(For clarity I know Trout's numbers are way better just tossing a name out there of a supposed baseball savant that was a flash in the pan)



But what would Trouts numbers be if he didn't miss the first part of the season because he was still in the minors? I think it was Verducci who said if Trout had been on the opening day roster, his numbers would be almost the same as Cabrera
Not being rude but what his numbers would have been are immaterial for the AL MVP award.  He can only be judged by what he did in the Majors.  The fact he is even in the discussion shows how epic his rookie season has been. The whole projected stats has always been garbage to me.  Guys get hot and cold so to me it takes them being on the field to judge what they would  or would not have done.  He did cool off a fair bit towards the end of the year and that did impact the Angels not securing a wildcard spot.  You do realize he only had 6 RBIs in September right?   83 RBIs so far this Season warrants the AL MVP award? I like the kid, I really do and all I am doing is looking at his numbers.  A case can be made for him being in the hunt but IMO he should not win it. 



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