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 Posted: Sat Nov 17th, 2012 11:11 am
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srossi wrote:
clawmaster wrote: The Jays are going for it at the right time. The Yankees are an aging team on their last legs. The Orioles were very good last year but I have questions whether they can do it again. Tampa Bay loses more players every year. The Red Sox are trying to rebuild.

Agreed.  2013 could be their year.  If the Orioles could turn it around so quickly in a tough division, the Blue Jays can too.  I have serious questions about how a clean Melky will perform though.  That could be a really bad contract, and then they're screwed.


Melky off roids is a 4th outfielder.



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srossi wrote: lobo316 wrote:


 

The Jays went the cheap route again. Instead of trying to sign Josh Hamilton,
they sign MC.

Hamilton comes with more baggage than Melky!  I don't blame them for that.  To sign Hamilton, you have to offer him way more years than is prudent for someone who could go off the rails any day.


 

Big fucking deal. Someone will give Hamilton the big fat contract, somewhere
between 5-9 years for 100Mil - 200Mil. It's the cost of doing business in baseball.
Why not the Jays ? The Jays are not a small market team.
They just spend like one.

 

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Baseball and all sports should award long-term contracts based upon performance, allowing void and increase/decrease based on prior years performance. It may happen someday.



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Don't be surprised if Hamilton ends up signing with the Red Sox. Seattle and Milwaukee are also pursuing Hamilton.

I think Hamilton is a much bigger risk than Melky Cabrera. Addiction problems. His body is already starting to break down at age 32. 



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lobo316 wrote: srossi wrote: lobo316 wrote:


 

The Jays went the cheap route again. Instead of trying to sign Josh Hamilton,
they sign MC.

Hamilton comes with more baggage than Melky!  I don't blame them for that.  To sign Hamilton, you have to offer him way more years than is prudent for someone who could go off the rails any day.


 

Big fucking deal. Someone will give Hamilton the big fat contract, somewhere
between 5-9 years for 100Mil - 200Mil. It's the cost of doing business in baseball.
Why not the Jays ? The Jays are not a small market team.
They just spend like one.

 
Whomever signs Hamilton to that type of deal will be regretting it within 3 years, but will be paying for it for another 4 years after regretting it.

If Hamilton is smart, he'll take a few less dollars and stay in Texas, where he seems to have a decent support system in place.

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Marlins signed Juan Pierre to a 1 year 1.6 million dollar deal.



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clawmaster wrote: Marlins signed Juan Pierre to a 1 year 1.6 million dollar deal.
he'll be traded before the all star break  lol

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Could the Phillies be interested in Hamilton ?

 

The last time the Phillies entered an off-season coming off of a .500 record or worse was 2002.

The team had just finished 80-81, but with young talent and a new ball park coming, the prospect of winning was there for the first time in a long time. The fan interest was also coming back, and the combination off all of those factors led the Phillies to make a splash in the off-season. It was that off-season that the front office laid out big money for Jim Thome, the power-hitting first baseman from the Cleveland Indians.

Thome was an instant hit on the field as he drove in 131 runs to go along with 47 home runs. While his production on the field was a big boost to the team, the signing of Thome had a greater impact off the field. It sent a message to the city, the roster, and the rest of the league that the Phillies were coming. They were serious about winning. While Thome was not on the roster when the team won the World Series a few years later, his signing no doubt helped them get there. The signing was an investment in the future, and it showed the current team that they believed they were worth investing in.

This off-season, the Phillies are faced with a similar decision. Do they invest in this team, or build for the future? What they decide will dictate how seriously they go after Texas Rangers outfielder Josh Hamilton, a player they are rumored to be interested in.

For the first time in a long time, fan interest in the Phillies is starting to fade. The team is coming off of an 81-81 record last season that turned off a lot of fans. The World Series grace period is ending just like the sell-out streak did, and the roster is old. The Phillies front office needs to decide whether or not they want to continue to invest in this team, or move to the future.

What path they decide to take will go a long way in dictating whether or not Texas Rangers outfielder Josh Hamilton is worth the investment.

If the Phillies still believe they can contend for a World Series next year, and want to put all the chips in one more time, then Hamilton is worth the investment. Hamilton hit 43 home runs to go along with 128 RBI's last season, and inserting him into the lineup would make the Phillies instant contenders. If you want to convince yourself that Ryan Howard, Chase Utley and Roy Halladay can have bounce back seasons, they might even be considered the favorite in the National League.

But at what cost?

The kind of money Hamilton is looking for is massive- close to $20 million a year for likely five years, if not longer. Very few around the league expect Hamilton to be able to live up to that kind of contract, especially by the end of it. Signing Hamilton would be a win now, worry about the money later move.

The money, however, is starting to be an issue for the Phillies. Adding Hamilton will mean the Phillies will have six players on the team making over $15 million. Of those six players- Howard, Utley, Halladay, Cole Hamels, Cliff Lee and potentially Hamilton- the argument could be made that only Hamilton and Hamels are entering the prime of their career. That has to be a big concern for the front office. When you take into account how the other big money deals the Phillies committed to have turned out- Howard, Lee, Utley- that concern becomes even greater.

The Phillies need to ask themselves if committing more money to this current group of players is worth it in the long run. In 2002, it was a no brainier. The team was young and ready to win. Thome would (at the time) be the center piece.

Now, however, the Phillies would be adding another expensive player to a roster filled with them. It would give the Phillies a chance at another World Series this year, but it would also cripple them even further financially in the future.

It's a tough decision- give it another chance with this team or build for the future?

For the past few years, the Phillies have exclusively been all in. It might be wise for them to start to put their eyes to the future, and if they are wise, that future does not include Josh Hamilton.

 

http://www.nj.com/phillies/index.ssf/2012/11/is_josh_hamilton_worth_the_inv.html

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clawmaster wrote:
Marlins signed Juan Pierre to a 1 year 1.6 million dollar deal.


If he's smart he'll just rent a place in Miami.



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khawk wrote: CanadianHorseman wrote: That's all I ever hear from Blue Jay fans - waaaahhhh we can't compete financially with Boston and New York waaahhhhh.


Chris is right...it's more "won't spend" than "can't spend".

Be happy you have owners in Boston that like to spend money without acting like they are getting their teeth pulled.


EDIT--anyone think Selig will overturn this trade?


 

 

The FAN590 in Toronto is reporting that Selig has okayed the trade.

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Bud Selig created a touch of suspense along the way, but no one really expected him to impede the 12-player trade between the Toronto Blue Jays and Miami Marlins. And finally, almost a week after it went down, the deal is done, complete with the commissioner’s blessing.

The Blue Jays made it official in an announcement Monday afternoon. They receive star shortstop Jose Reyes, starting pitchers Josh Johnson and Mark Buehrle, infielder-outfielder Emilio Bonifacio and catcher John Buck.

Gone to the Marlins are shortstop Yunel Escobar, pitcher Henderson Alvarez, infielder Adeiny Hechavarria, catcher Jeff Mathis and three minor-leaguers: outfielder Jake Marisnick and pitchers Justin Nicolino and Anthony DeSclafani.

Toronto is also receiving “cash considerations” from Miami, believed to be about US$8-million. Toronto is taking on roughly $US165-million in contract guarantees, including the US$96-million owed Reyes through 2017.

Last week Selig knotted his brow and intoned that the deal was “under review.” He acknowledged the howls from fans in Miami, who were upset that owner Jeffrey Loria had gutted the Marlins’ roster just a year after signing Reyes, Buehrle and closer Heath Bell to big contracts – but without no-trade clauses.

Some speculated that Selig dragged out the approvals to put pressure on Loria, whom he has supported in his successful bid to build a new stadium with substantial help from Miami taxpayers.

But Selig automatically reviews any deal in which more than US$1-million changes hands. And despite a few moments of mild panic among Jays fans late last week, there never was any doubt that he would approve the trade.

In a statement Monday, Selig said the deal “represents the exercise of plausible baseball judgment on the part of both clubs” and that it “does not violate any express rule.”

The big delay arose from the need for 12 players, scattered far and wide, to complete physicals. Reyes was in Dubai when the teams agreed on the deal last Tuesday and did not return to Florida until Thursday night. Major League Baseball officials had to review and approve a raft of paperwork before the trade became official.

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lobo316 wrote: Could the Phillies be interested in Hamilton ?


God, I hope so.  I don't want the Red Sox touching him with a 10 foot pole. 



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Shawn Camp re-upped with the Cubs. One-year contract estimated at $1.35 million, with incentives that could add an additional $200,000 to the deal.



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The Toronto Blue Jays reportedly will reach into the past in introducing the future Tuesday morning.

Media outlets reported late Monday night that John Gibbons, who skippered the Blue Jays between 2004 and 2008, is being re-hired as manager, succeeding John Farrell, who bolted for the Boston Red Sox following two mediocre seasons in Toronto.

Gibbons, who managed the Blue Jays for parts of five seasons from 2004 to 2008, is expected to be welcomed back as Toronto's new (old?) manager at a 9:30 a.m. ET media conference.

Blue Jays general manager Alex Anthopoulos is also expected to address the acquisition of shortstop Jose Reyes, left-handed pitcher Mark Buehrle, right-hander Josh Johnson, catcher John Buck and utility man Emilio Bonifacio in a much-documented, 12-player trade with the Miami Marlins, finalized Monday, and the signing of free-agent outfielder Melky Cabrera for an estimated $16 million US over two years.

Gibbons, 50, replaced fired Carlos Tosca as Blue Jays manager late in 2004, going 20-30 the rest of the way and posting a 305-305 record in 610 games at the helm.

He has since served as bench coach with the Kansas City Royals and last season managed the San Diego Padres' double-A affiliate in San Antonio, Texas.

Gibbons, from Great Falls, Mont., is said to be a close friend of Anthopoulos, which may speak to him being hired over rumoured candidates like Jim Riggleman and Jim Tracy.

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SEATTLE (AP) -- Looking to add depth to the infield, the Seattle Mariners acquired versatile Robert Andino from the Baltimore Orioles on Tuesday in exchange for reserve outfielder Trayvon Robinson.

The trade instantly gives the Mariners an experienced infielder who can play second base, third base and shortstop. Andino is likely to fill the role held this past season by Japanese infielder Munenori Kawasaki.



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