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 Posted: Mon Nov 12th, 2012 02:14 pm
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Yesterday in Phoenix Jeff Gordon threw a temper tantrum and deliberately wrecked Clint Bowyer under full green flag conditions after Gordon was black flagged and ordered to the pits, this AFTER Gordon pulled a Danica Patrick by trying to wreck Bowyer on the previous lap and instead wrecked himself, thus also taking out Joey Logna and Aric Almirola as well, and coming within a whisker of taking out points leader Brad Keselowski.

Kyle Busch pulled a very similar stunt last year in the trucks series under caution and got parked for 2 races, I firmly believe that Gordon should be parked at least for the season finale and maybe even for Daytona next year, and he should be docked points as well, but considering that he drives for Rick Hendricks who tells NASCAR what to do and not the other way around I wouldn't be too shocked if all he gets is a slap on the wrist and NASCAR's version of "probation", which amounts to nothing at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m403wBR8hPU



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How is it that there are criminal charges filed against hockey players for hitting someone with a stick, but in racing guys can attempt vehicular homicide and nothing happens to them?  Shouldn't he be in jail for the rest of his life?

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yes.  Jeff Gordon should be suspended.  NASCAR needs to send a strong signal to the drivers that his behavior should not be tolerated.  People hate Roger Goodell, but the game is safer because of his stance on player safety.  It'd be nice if NASCAR cared similarly. 



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It's not a safety thing, those guys are safer in those cars now than they are walking to them before the race. This stuff is good for the sport actually, I loved it yesterday. That said, he SHOULD be suspended just because Nascar set a precedent for it last year when they suspended Kyle.

Park him for Homestead. Has to be done.



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I loved it too, reminds me a bit of the old days, my problem isn't so much that Gordon wrecked him but the way he did it, ignoring the black flag and waiting to wreck him still under green flag all out racing conditions, then running and hiding when Bowyer came to settle it man to man, plus he allmost took out Keselowski, and as Married Jo mentioned there is a precedent set when Kyle Busch did a very similar act.

What really has me worried right now is the way "Bad Brad" acted at the press conference, I fully expect NASCAR, under pressure from Rick Hendricks, (the man who really runs NASCAR and tells them what to do, and what penalties are and are not acceptable), as well as from Chevrolet, to dock Keselowski several points for bad language (err, conduct detrimental to the sport, as defined by whatever NASCAR's whims are at the time), to make things easier for Jimmie Johnson to win his 6th so called championship.
(they allready let Johnson jump a restart last week in Texas to win the race after he couldn't legit beat Brad the 2 previous times, of course in their "interpretation" there was nothing wrong, despite photographic evidence to the contrary)

Keselowski drives for a 2 man operation and a manufacturer that is leaving the series after this year and it NASCAR allways bends over backwards to help Jimmie, the 48 team and the puppet master Hendricks, don't be surprised to see some monkey business going on there, too.



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All I can say about Kez is if he wins that championship next Sunday, Bobby Labonte finally moves off the top of the "Least deserving Cup Champ Ever" list..



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Married Jo wrote: It's not a safety thing, those guys are safer in those cars now than they are walking to them before the race. This stuff is good for the sport actually, I loved it yesterday. That said, he SHOULD be suspended just because Nascar set a precedent for it last year when they suspended Kyle.

Park him for Homestead. Has to be done.

I know the sport is safer due in part to many changes made after Dale Sr died, but just like NFL players trying to take the head off the QB, trying to wreck (blatantly) a rival's car seems to be something that could be better controlled thorugh tougher penalties and sanctions.



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Didn't see it but if he did it on purpose... Yes.



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There is absolutely no question at all that he should be suspended, and suspended for a very long time.  Ignoring a black flag in itself is one of the most serious offences there is in motor sport; the black flag does not just mean DQ (in F1), it signifies that there might be a serious - perhaps life-threatening - problem that means you go to the pits immediately.

For him to ignore that, then take out two other cars in a fit of pique, exacerbates it to the extreme.

Sit him out for the season - and the first six of next.



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Married Jo, did you mean Terry Labonte?

Terry won in a year where he only had 2 wins to Gordon's 10, (1996) and one year Matt Kenseth won only 1 race all year but won the title due to amazing consistency, yet Ryan Newman dominated the year with 8 years, 11 poles, and 17 top 5's leading NASCAR in all 3 of those categories (2003), that was the year I believe that spawned the whole "chase" concept.

I'm not yet sold on Keselowski, I think he often overdrives and is too aggressive, and he certainly took out Kyle Busch in Watkins Glen and cost him a victory and a spot in the chase, but I'll take Keselowski over the 48 team and their driver any day of the week,as far as personal preferences go.



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Sure, if it could somehow put a demise to NASCAR. :D



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katook wrote:
Married Jo, did you mean Terry Labonte?



No, I mean Bobby. Terry was a helluva driver, I don't base how great a champion you are by how many wins you had that season. I just can't respect Kez as champion, considering he's a relative newbie who hasn't paid his dues much yet IMO and is a little cocky shit. Terry Labonte is a 2-time champ who paid his dues, he didn't get "The Iceman" nickname for nothing. His brother Bobby is like-able but he's never really been a great driver, he had certain tracks he was good at but I still think it's a shame that Bobby (and now Kez) has a title and a guy like Mark Martin doesn't.

Course, it's a chase title, and I still don't think those are as meaningful as one that was won over a 36 race schedule where every race really counts and not just the last 10.



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kargol wrote:
There is absolutely no question at all that he should be suspended, and suspended for a very long time.  Ignoring a black flag in itself is one of the most serious offences there is in motor sport; the black flag does not just mean DQ (in F1), it signifies that there might be a serious - perhaps life-threatening - problem that means you go to the pits immediately.

For him to ignore that, then take out two other cars in a fit of pique, exacerbates it to the extreme.

Sit him out for the season - and the first six of next.


Eh, Nascar gives you 4 laps to come in if you have the black flag...so he didn't really break any rule there.



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I loved Terry Labonte, I was just wondering if that was a typo:D

What I would really like to see is a return to the old points system where all 36 races counted instead of just the final 12, but with a tweak where winning paid 200 points as opposed to 175, thus putting a premium on winning instead of just a lousy 5 point bonus over the second place guy, and I would drop the bonus 5 points for leading a lap, too many times an also ran just stays out under yellow to lead a lap and then pit and comes out in the mid 30s where they have ran all race long (keep the 5 bonus points for leading the most laps, however)

Also, I think it's time to get rid of the start and parks, yes that would sometimes cut the field down to less than 43 cars, but the start and parks don't do anything anyways.



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Yes he should be suspended and fined. I loved it though, nothing like the good ol days for Nascar

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