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 Posted: Mon Apr 22nd, 2013 09:58 pm
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lobo316 wrote:
Those of you who are fans of the NHL, will you consider this a "real" season if your team doesn't win the
Stanley Cup ? If, for example, you root for the Bruins & the Red Wings win the Cup, does this season count in your mind ?


If the Bruins win the Cup it most certainly counts. If any other team wins it's tainted as hell. :tongue:



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Sure, I count it. They still have to win 16 very tough games in the post season. I don't mind seeing an asterisk beside the Champions' names, but to me it doesn't diminish anything. (Unless God forbid Montreal or Ottawa wins it)

 

Go Leafs Go, now and forever, Amen.

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I'll be disappointed if the Hawks don't win the Stanley Cup.



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clawmaster wrote:
I'll be disappointed if the Hawks don't win the Stanley Cup.

It comes down to how good or bad Crawford is, if Emery can't start the playoffs.

Whoever wins it will be full value for the title. As noted, they still have to win 16 playoff games. Nobody remembers the last 48 game season champs (NJ?) as being any less value for that win.

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lobo316 wrote: Those of you who are fans of the NHL, will you consider this a "real" season if your team doesn't win the
Stanley Cup ? If, for example, you root for the Bruins & the Red Wings win the Cup, does this season count in your mind ?

Yeah, I think it counts.

IMO, they played more than enough games to eliminate around half the teams fairly, and you still have to go through all the rounds in the playoffs you would in a full season to win the Cup.



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So does Edm end up with the 1st pick for the 4th year in a row and still not make the playoffs the following season?

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Principal_Raditch wrote:
So does Edm end up with the 1st pick for the 4th year in a row and still not make the playoffs the following season?

Unless the rules were changed ( and I'm pretty sure they weren't ) then a team can only move up 4 spots by winning lottery. Right now Edmonton sits at 25th overall so the best they could do is pick 2nd. Here's the bottom 10 teams overall:


30th - Florida ( 45 GP - 32 points )
29th - Colorado ( 45 GP - 37 points )
28th - Tampa Bay ( 45 GP - 38 points )
27th - Nashville ( 45 GP - 39 points ) Nashville has 15 wins
26th - Carolina ( 45 GP - 39 points ) Carolina has 18 wins
25th - Edmonton ( 45 GP - 41 points )
24th - Calgary ( 45 GP - 42 points )
23rd - Philadelphia ( 45 GP - 43 points )
22nd - Buffalo ( 46 GP - 44 points )
21st - New Jersey ( 45 GP - 44 points )


So if the Draft Lottery were held today the only 5 teams that could get the 1st overall pick are Florida, Colorado, tampa Bay, Nashville and Carolina. Everything will be sorted out next Monday as the Draft Lottery will be held on TSN at 8 pm Eastern.



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CanadianHorseman wrote:
Principal_Raditch wrote:
So does Edm end up with the 1st pick for the 4th year in a row and still not make the playoffs the following season?

Unless the rules were changed ( and I'm pretty sure they weren't ) then a team can only move up 4 spots by winning lottery. Right now Edmonton sits at 25th overall so the best they could do is pick 2nd. Here's the bottom 10 teams overall:


30th - Florida ( 45 GP - 32 points )
29th - Colorado ( 45 GP - 37 points )
28th - Tampa Bay ( 45 GP - 38 points )
27th - Nashville ( 45 GP - 39 points ) Nashville has 15 wins
26th - Carolina ( 45 GP - 39 points ) Carolina has 18 wins
25th - Edmonton ( 45 GP - 41 points )
24th - Calgary ( 45 GP - 42 points )
23rd - Philadelphia ( 45 GP - 43 points )
22nd - Buffalo ( 46 GP - 44 points )
21st - New Jersey ( 45 GP - 44 points )


So if the Draft Lottery were held today the only 5 teams that could get the 1st overall pick are Florida, Colorado, tampa Bay, Nashville and Carolina. Everything will be sorted out next Monday as the Draft Lottery will be held on TSN at 8 pm Eastern.


The rules have ben changed in the new CBA. Any team can win the lottery and move up to #1. It's still a weighed lottery system. The Flyers need to tank some more to get a better shot.



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freebirdsforever2001 wrote:

The rules have ben changed in the new CBA. Any team can win the lottery and move up to #1. It's still a weighed lottery system. The Flyers need to tank some more to get a better shot.


I thought those new rules were coming in next year. I guess if Mario and Sidney cry enough then Pittsburgh will get the top pick again.



EDIT - I just checked the nhl.com site and they say that only the 14 teams that don't make the Playoffs can grab the top pick. Here's some more info:


The 2013 NHL Draft Lottery, to be held this year on Monday, April 29, will be the first in NHL history where all 14 clubs not qualifying for the Stanley Cup Playoffs, or the clubs that have acquired the first-round drafting positions of those non-playoff clubs, will have a chance at winning the right to the first overall selection. Under the previous lottery system, only the five teams with the fewest points in the standings had the opportunity to win the first overall selection as rules dictated no team could move up more than four spots.

The NHL Draft Lottery is a weighted system to determine the order of selection for the first 14 picks of the 2013 NHL Draft. Teams finishing with the fewest points during the regular season possess the greatest chance of winning the right to the first pick in the NHL Draft. Fourteen balls, numbered 1 to 14, are placed in a lottery machine. The machine expels four balls, forming a series of numbers. The four-digit series resulting from the expulsion of the balls is matched against a probability chart that divides the possible combinations among the 14 participating clubs.

While the top pick can now go to any of the 14 non-playoff clubs, or the team owning the rights to the first pick of a non-playoff club, the odds of winning the lottery are unchanged from previous years. The teams in the drawing are ranked in inverse order of their regular season point totals, with team one being the club with the fewest points, and team 14 being the club with the most points among those outside of the playoffs.

The likelihood of each team gaining the right to the first pick is as follows:

Team 1 25.0%

Team 2 18.8%

Team 3 14.2%

Team 4 10.7%

Team 5 8.1%

Team 6 6.2%

Team 7 4.7%

Team 8 3.6%

Team 9 2.7%

Team 10 2.1%

Team 11 1.5%

Team 12 1.1%

Team 13 0.8%

Team 14 0.5%

No club will move down more than one position as a result of the Draft Lottery. The remaining first round drafting positions are determined by the results of the Stanley Cup Playoffs.

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HAVE YOU WON 6 STANLEY CUPS?  THEN KEVIN LOWE WOULD LIKE YOU ALL TO KINDLY FUCK OFF!



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Cory17 wrote:
HAVE YOU WON 6 STANLEY CUPS?  THEN KEVIN LOWE WOULD LIKE YOU ALL TO KINDLY FUCK OFF!


I don't know what was funnier - Lowe using the " I was a supporting player on 6 Stanley Cup winning teams almost 20 years ago so I must know what I'm doing " argument or his weakass apology the next day. :D



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He didn't apologize for the "I know how to win" shit, he apologized for shitting on Oiler fans that can't afford to pay to see Oiler games.  The best part of his apology was NY Rangers Stanley Cup picture, being the only hockey thing in his apology video.



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Cory17 wrote:
He didn't apologize for the "I know how to win" shit, he apologized for shitting on Oiler fans that can't afford to pay to see Oiler games.  The best part of his apology was NY Rangers Stanley Cup picture, being the only hockey thing in his apology video.


I thought he did apologize for the " I'm Kevin Lowe and you're not " comment by saying that he got a bit too emotional because it was an emotional day for him and the organization.



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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/crosby-practices-return-broken-jaw-uncertain-174700910.html

Crosby practices, return from broken jaw uncertain
By WILL GRAVES (AP Sports Writer) | The Associated Press – 4 hours ago

CANONSBURG, Pa. (AP) -- Sidney Crosby's smile betrays a jagged ridgeline of enamel along his bottom row of teeth, evidence of the extensive damage inflicted to Crosby's jaw by a wayward shot a month ago.

The Pittsburgh Penguins' captain has learned to deal with the dull ache left by multiple dental procedures. The cumbersome mask he'll be forced to wear whenever he returns is another matter entirely.

Crosby participated in non-contact drills Friday, his first practice with his teammates since breaking his jaw on March 30. Yet Crosby remains vague on when he'll be cleared to play and his status for next week's playoff opener remains uncertain.

''It's not really up to me to be honest with you,'' Crosby said. ''It's something the (doctors) have to feel comfortable with the healing and that kind of thing. As soon as they say the word I'll be ready to go.''

The Penguins have survived just fine despite missing Crosby for the final quarter of the season.

Pittsburgh heads into Saturday's regular season finale against Carolina with the NHL's Eastern Conference top seed already secure. Fueled by newcomers Brenden Morrow, Jossi Jokinen and Jarome Iginla - all acquired at the trade deadline - the Penguins have gone 7-4 in Crosby's absence, including losses this week to Buffalo and New Jersey in relatively meaningless games.

Watching his team thrive while he's relegated to wearing a suit and peering down on the ice from the box has been difficult. Yet it's also been a revelation of sorts. As vital as the NHL's second-leading scorer is to Pittsburgh's fortunes, Crosby knows the Penguins no longer need Crosby on the ice to be competitive.

''I think it's been a great transition,'' Crosby said. ''I think we're playing good hockey when we want to be and I think we should be happy and know that we're ready to head into the playoffs.''

Crosby managed to keep his weight up despite the layoff and the limitations on his diet brought on by the jaw problems. He appeared just fine while buzzing around with his teammates, particularly on the power play unit. Yet he was sure to avoid grinding things out in the corner or putting himself in a vulnerable position. He's currently sporting a large plastic shield over the jaw, and the unwieldy nature of his new gear has proven troublesome.

''You're definitely trying to find something that is going to protect you but at the same time you want to be able to see the puck and that kind of thing,'' Crosby said. ''That's what I'm using right now but that might change depending on being able to adjust to it.''

Coach Dan Bylsma, like Crosby, declined to pinpoint a target date for Crosby's familiar No. 87 to get back on the ice.

''It's good to have him in practice and a step to have him in practice in a non-contact way and have him out there with the group but there's not a timeline,'' Bylsma said.

The Penguins can afford to wait a little while longer. A scheduling conflict at Consol Energy Center means the team won't likely open the playoffs until Wednesday. That additional 24 hours could give Crosby's jaw another 24 hours to heal convince the doctors that he's out of any danger.

Though Crosby isn't quite ready to go, defenseman Paul Martin (hand) and forward James Neal (concussion) will play on Saturday against the Hurricanes. Martin has missed 12 games while Neal hasn't played since April 5 after taking an elbow to the head from New York Rangers defenseman Michael Del Zotto.

''Any time you miss time due to injury you want to get your feel back as quickly as possible when you start playing again,'' Neal said.

Crosby's absence will allow Bylsma to continue to tinker with Pittsburgh's lines trying to find the right combination. Crosby anchored the most productive line in hockey alongside Chris Kunitz and Pascal Dupuis before getting hurt and the addition of so many new faces has forced Bylsma to get creative.

The only group that appears to be set is the third line, where Brandon Sutter, Matt Cooke and Morrow will give the Penguins some thump. The first, second and fourth lines remain very much a work in progress.

Yet there are worse problems to have. Though Crosby will sit out the regular season finale, barring a setback he's almost certain to play in the opening round. The Penguins will enter the postseason as the overwhelming favorite in the East. The pressure will only mount whenever Crosby laces up his skates. That's OK with the Penguins. That's the way they prefer it.

''I've never been in a dressing room that didn't expect to win a Cup,'' Murray said. ''I think we know what lays ahead and when Sid's ready, we'll be ready to have him.''



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Classy move by Henrik Sedin tonight in Edmonton. He jumps on the ice for 22 seconds and then heads to the showers. Nice way to keep that consecutive GP streak going.



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