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She can't talk so now you might walk.




He might get off on a technicality. the lead investigator contaminated the crime
scene by not wearing protective covering on his shoes.
Now, he's been taken off the case because he faces 7 charges of attempted murder.

 

 

 


Hilton Botha, investigating officer in the Oscar Pistorius murder case, has been dropped due to a 2009 shooting incident, according to Agence France-Presse.

Botha was facing seven charges of attempted murder, but the charges were later dropped and then reinstated.

Botha also admitted this week that he'd contaminated the crime scene, acknowledged that police had no evidence to contradict Pistorius' rendition of events, and incorrectly claimed that he'd found boxes of steroids in Pistorius' room.

Just yesterday, Johannesburg police spokesperson Neville Malila said that Botha was chosen to handle the Pistorius case because he is a seasoned detective and said there were no plans to pull him off the investigation.



The Oscar Pistorius premeditated murder case is getting stranger by the day.

It is being reported that Hilton Botha, the investigation officer on the case, is facing seven charges for attempted murder after he drunkenly opened fire on a mini-bus filled with passengers. The incident, which took place in 2009, involved three other officers as well.

However, despite the charges, police plan to keep Botha on the Pistorius murder case, according to South Africa's Eyewitness News.

The South African Police Service has confirmed the charge of attempted murder against the detective. The charges were initially dropped, but have been reinstated.


Malila said Botha, who was ridiculed yesterday for his bungling testimony at Pistorius's bail hearing, was a seasoned detective and there were no plans to take him off the murder case.

VIDEO: "I Thought She Was A Robber!" Oscar Pistorius Tells Court He Accidentally Shot Reeva Steenkamp At Bail Hearing

Yesterday, Botha told the court that authorities have no evidence challenging the double-amputee Olympian's claim he killed his girlfriend accidentally.




 



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I already get the feeling this guy is going to get away with it...that's fucked up..



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Married Jo wrote: I already get the feeling this guy is going to get away with it...that's fucked up..
Honestly if all this is true, he should get off.  It sucks when someone likely guilty of murder walks (no pun intended) but it's worse when innocent people get convicted by incompetent or corrupt prosecutors.  This guy has completely made the case a joke and shouldn't have been anywhere near that crime scene.  I wouldn't believe anything the prosecution says if I was on that jury now.

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The guy managed to get his own Chewbacca defense

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Defence has pissed all over the prosecution in a number of areas - but there are still more where the defence is going to have to work very, very hard.

Occam's Razor is that if Pistorius gets up in the middle of the night and goes to the balcony, he should realize his gf is not in the bed.  Especially when he goes back to the bed to get his gun.  Even if he thinks he was shooting at a burglar - one that is competent enough to get in downstairs, but incompetent enough to wander upstairs and only find the bog, into which he locked himself, OR had got in upstairs through the open window without a latter and crawled over/around the bed without either noticing - it's still murder as there was no issue of personal harm.



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According to CCTV News yesterday, his bail was set at $113,000 American dollars.

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srossi wrote:  I wouldn't believe anything the prosecution says if I was on that jury now.Neither would I. But, this isn't a jury trial, it's a trial by judge. So unless the judge is completely corrupt, there's no way this guy should should get off. 

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from tsn.ca:




The murder case involving Olympic star Oscar Pistorius took another unexpected turn Sunday with the news that his older brother, Carl, is himself facing charges for the death of a woman in a traffic accident.

Carl Pistorius faces a charge of unlawful, negligent killing for a 2008 road death, "in which a woman motorcyclist sadly lost her life," Kenneth Oldwage, the Pistorius family lawyer said on Sunday. The accident happened in Vanderbijlpark, south of Johannesburg. The charge of "culpable homicide" was dropped and then reinstated and will be challenged in court, the lawyer told The Associated Press.

It is the second time someone associated with the Pistorius case has been found to face a serious charge that has been dropped and then reinstated. It was revealed that the chief police investigator in the case is facing charges of seven counts of attempted murder for shooting at a vehicle with seven passengers. Following the revelations, Hilton Botha was removed from the Pistorius investigation and a new chief detective was appointed on Thursday.

To drop and then reinstate charges is "not uncommon in South African criminal law. The law specifically makes provision to allow charges to be dropped and then to be reinstated as a result of further investigations," said Jacob van Garderen, director of Lawyers for Human Rights. "It is a practical procedure, a process that is there to assist both sides."

In another twist this weekend, model Reeva Steenkamp, who was shot to death by Oscar Pistorius on Valentine's Day was on television again in a new episode of the reality show "Tropika Island of Treasure 5" even though she was buried last Tuesday.

On Monday, Oscar Pistorius must report to the police station in Brooklyn, a suburb of the nation's capital Pretoria, and sign in, a twice-weekly procedure which is part of his bail conditions.

Pistorius was released on bail Friday and stayed at the home of his uncle Arnold in Waterkloof, an affluent suburb of Pretoria, where Oscar is now staying. His brother, Carl, came to visit the house Sunday.

The problem confronting his older brother Carl is the latest complication in a case that has transfixed South Africa and much of the world.

"It's also doubly sad because it's involved with Oscar and his brother and all the family -- so they have double sort of trouble," said Johannesburg resident Jim Plester.

Lawyer Oldwage said that "Carl deeply regrets the accident" and that a blood test showed he was not drunk at the time. He said the charges had initially been dropped, only to be reinstated later.

Oscar Pistorius was charged with premeditated murder, but the athlete says he killed his girlfriend accidentally, opening fire after mistaking her for an intruder in his home.

The character of Pistorius also continued to take centre stage. For many, it mirrors his public appearances as an articulate, well-spoken advocate for Paralympic athletes facing hardship. Witness statements describing Pistorius as a down-to-earth guy were presented at the hearing.

Others have described him as a reckless risk taker who has been in trouble before, such as a boating accident in 2009 which put him into a hospital intensive care unit.

But in a report on Sunday, a South African man who said Steenkamp had stayed at his home since September, described Pistorius as moody and impatient. Cecil Myers, whose daughter was close friends with Steenkamp, said in an interview in the City Press newspaper, that Pistorius will have the killing of Steenkamp on his conscience. "I hope he gets a long sentence. Gets what he deserves," said Myers.

Pistorius appeared "very nice and charming to us when they started dating," said Myers. Myers said Pistorius initially used to come into the house but later just dropped Steenkamp off and picked her up when they began to date steadily, and he described the change as a lack of respect.

Myers recalled their first date and told the newspaper: "After that he wouldn't leave her alone. He kept pestering her, phoning and phoning and phoning her."

According to Myers, Steenkamp "told me he pushed her a bit into a corner. She felt caged in."

Myers said he told Pistorius "not to force himself on her. Back off." He said that after initially agreeing with him, it appeared that Pistorius soon took no heed.

Myers declined to respond to a request for more information from Associated Press.

In the bail hearing, a character reference for Pistorius, acknowledged that "the only issue in the relationship that I was made aware of was that Reeva sometimes thought Oscar was moving a little fast."

Pistorius was born without fibula bones due to a congenital defect and his legs were amputated when he was 11 months old. He has run on carbon-fiber blades and was originally banned from competing against able-bodied peers because many argued that his blades gave him an unfair advantage. He was later cleared to compete. He is a multiple Paralympic medallist , and won a silver medal at the 2011 Daegu world championships with South Africa's 4x400 relay team. But he failed to win a medal at the London Olympics, where he ran in the 400 metre race and the 4x400 relay race.



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JOHANNESBURG -- The former lead detective in South Africa's investigation of the murder case against Olympic athlete Oscar Pistorius has resigned from the police force, police said Thursday.

The decision by detective Hilton Botha to quit followed criticism for his bungling of the investigation into Pistorius' shooting of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp on Feb. 14, as well as the revelation that he faced attempted murder charges for a 2011 case in which he fired at a vehicle.

The police force as a whole came under scrutiny for the initial decision to assign Botha, a relatively junior officer, to a high-profile case involving an international celebrity. South African police practices came under more intense criticism last week after a taxi driver from Mozambique was dragged from a police vehicle and later died in detention east of Johannesburg.

Brig. Neville Malila, a police spokesman, said Botha voluntarily applied to leave the service, and said police would not divulge his reasons.

"It was his initiative. He applied for the resignation and the exit interviews were conducted with him," Malila said. "He still maintained that he wanted to leave the service and we honored his wish."

Botha made several errors as the lead investigator after the double-amputee athlete shot Steenkamp at his home in Pretoria, the South African capital.

He walked through the crime scene without wearing protective shoe covers, potentially contaminating the area; gave conflicting estimates of the distance of the house of a potential witness; and was criticized by the judge in the athlete's bail hearing for failing to secure data from cellular telephones found at the scene of the shooting.

It later emerged that Botha faced attempted murder charges for a case in which he and two other officers fired on a vehicle in an attempt to make it stop. His superiors then removed him from the Pistorius case, replacing him with a senior investigator, police Lt. Gen. Vinesh Moonoo.

Rudolph Zinn, a former detective who lectures at the School of Criminal Justice and Police Practice at the University of South Africa, said it should have been standard procedure to assign a top official from the beginning of the Pistorius case.

"A senior person should be appointed as soon as possible to take over the investigation's management to make sure that the crime scene is processed accordingly," he said in an interview with The Associated Press last month.

Pistorius, who was freed on bail, says he mistook Steenkamp for an intruder when he shot her through a locked bathroom door. Prosecutors believe the shooting happened after the couple got into an argument.

The Olympian's next court appearance is scheduled for June 4.

Also Thursday, a South African public relations company said it will no longer represent Pistorius. Janine Hills, the head of Vuma Reputation Management, said the Pistorius family is in a "stronger position" to handle media issues, but that her company will continue to provide guidance. She said in an email to the AP that a "handover process" had been under way since March 1.

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"Negligent" but not guilty of the most serious murder charges.  Verdict on lesser charges to be read tomorrow.  Haven't followed this very carefully, but from what I've read this seemed like a slam dunk for the prosecution and they blew it.  It's OJ all over again.  Maybe they were fearing the amputee riots if they convicted.

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He's likely to still get multiple years in jail for doing it, just not the max as per whatever a top-end murder charge over there would yield.

If the prosecution did indeed fuck this up (likely but I haven't followed closely enough to really comment), they can't even blame an incompetent jury for it. That has to hurt even more.



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khawk wrote: He's likely to still get multiple years in jail for doing it, just not the max as per whatever a top-end murder charge over there would yield.

If the prosecution did indeed fuck this up (likely but I haven't followed closely enough to really comment), they can't even blame an incompetent jury for it. That has to hurt even more.

Found guilty of "culpable homicide", which is South Africa's term for manslaughter more or less.  Faces up to 15 years, but legal experts are already saying that given his complete lack of criminal history, they would be shocked if he gets nearly that much and he could get a sentence that doesn't include any jail time at all.



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That would seem to be a big fail if he gets no jail time, no doubt.



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Oscar Pistorius is behind bars, reportedly at Kgosi Mampuru II prison in Pretoria, beginning a five-year jail sentence for the culpable homicide of Reeva Steenkamp.

I am of the view that a non-custodial sentence would send a wrong message to the community. On the other hand, a long sentence would not be appropriate either, as it would lack the element of mercy.

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That played out about as well as it could, I suppose.  I have no problem with that sentence.

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