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 Posted: Tue Dec 3rd, 2013 08:36 pm
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So Pierzynski vs. McCann? Which will be the better signing in the A.L. East?

If they both really suck it will easier for Boston to accept since Pierznyski is only on a 1 year deal while the Yankees have committed 5 years to McCann.


True, and the Yankees always over-commit, but McCann is 29 and Pierzynski 36, so it's not outrageous.


I agree - I would have been OK with Boston giving McCann a 3 year deal. Apparently Boston's top 2 catching prospects ( Blake Swihart and Christian Vazquez ) are at least 2 or 3 years away from playing in the majors.



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Who doesn't like a 3-way ???? Cincinnati, Tampa Bay and Arizona complete a multi-player trade.


To Arizona: P Justin Choate ( from Tampa Bay ) and a PTBNL or cash ( from Tampa Bay )

To Cincinnati: P David Holmberg ( from Arizona )

To Tampa Bay: C Ryan Hanigan ( from Cincinnati ) and P Heath Bell ( from Arizona )


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NEW YORK -- The Seattle Mariners have emerged as major players in the sweepstakes for free agent Robinson Cano, according to several sources who spoke to ESPNNewYork.com on Tuesday on the condition of anonymity.

With the New York Yankees not wanting to offer Cano more than a seven-year contract or as much as $200 million, an industry source with knowledge of the negotiations put the Yankees' chances of retaining the five-time All-Star second baseman at "less than 50-50."

"It doesn't look too good right now," said the source.

Mariners general manager Jack Zduriencik refused to confirm a meeting with Cano.

"We've talked to everybody," Zduriencik told ESPNNewYork's Andrew Marchand on Tuesday. "There's not a free agent we haven't talked to. We've cast a wide net.''

Sources familiar with the negotiations between the Yankees and Cano told ESPNNewYork.com that the Yankees believe Seattle might be willing to offer Cano $200 million over eight years.

One of the sources said the Mariners were "desperate for hitting and desperate to put people in the ballpark."

"I wouldn't presume to say that there's no one out there that will meet [Cano's] demands,'' said another source, who named Seattle along with possibly the Texas Rangers as teams that might be willing to outbid the Yankees for Cano's services.

"Now it's a question of, does [Cano] want to be a Yankee, or is he just about the money?" a baseball insider said.

According to sources, the Yankees believe they learned the answer when it was reported in October that Cano's side had demanded a 10-year deal worth $310 million. Cano has since said he never made any such demand.

Cano's agent, Brodie Van Wagenen, did not respond to a request for comment, and a source said the agent was meeting with another team Tuesday afternoon. The source would not specify the team but said "It's a big, big meeting.''

The Yankees have had no contact with Cano or his representatives since last Tuesday, when they presented Cano with an offer believed to be for seven years and $160 million. At the same meeting, the Cano side was said to have lowered its demands slightly; it has since been reported Cano is asking for $252 million over nine years with a vesting option for a 10th year at $28 million.

The Yankees are said to be willing to increase their offer, but not substantially; an insider said the club might be willing to go to $175 million over seven years, an average salary of $25 million.

"[The Yankees] think this offer is incredibly fair,'' the insider said. "It's the highest average annual salary they've paid anyone except for Alex Rodriguez. Not even [Derek] Jeter got that kind of money.''

Jeter's 10-year deal that expired before the 2010 season paid him $189 million. He subsequently signed a three-year deal for $51 million, and this October he agreed to a one-year, $12 million deal for 2014.

According to a source who was briefed on the meeting, the Yankees have rejected the idea of any deal longer than seven years for Cano based on their history of bad deals -- notably, Rodriguez's 10-year, $275 million contract -- and the contracts given to Albert Pujols, Josh Hamilton and Ryan Howard, none of which have panned out.

Instead, the Yankees presented an analysis of Cano's value that determined he was worth approximately $25 million per season -- below Rodriguez's record annual average salary of $27.5 million but equal to what is being paid to Hamilton, Howard and Felix Hernandez -- but for no more than seven years, considering he turned 31 in October.

According to the source, Cano's side presented its client as not only "the best player on the board,'' but also as the best player in baseball and someone who is "indispensable'' to the Yankees.

The Yankees disagreed with that statement and cited diminished attendance and TV ratings in 2013 in the absence of Rodriguez and Jeter, both of whom missed much of the season because of injuries, as evidence that Cano lacks the star power to attract ticket buyers.

"We don't see Robbie Cano as the best player in the game,'' one of participants at the meeting is reported to have said. "We see him as one of the best.''

Cano is a career .309 hitter who has averaged 28 home runs and 103 RBIs in each of his past five seasons. In 2013, hitting with little or no protection in the Yankees' injury-depleted lineup, Cano batted a team-high .314 with 27 HRs and 107 RBIs and had an .899 OPS. He has finished in the top 10 in the last four American League MVP ballots, coming in fifth this year.

According to an executive familiar with both the Cano meetings and the struggle to work out a new contract for Jeter in 2010: "These negotiations have been far less contentious.''

"Jeter was very unhappy [with his negotiations],'' the source said, "but in the end, he compromised, because he really wanted to be a Yankee.''

Three years later, the Yankees aren't so sure they can say the same about Cano.

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http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/03/rockies-trade-dexter-fowler-to-astros-for-jordan-lyles/

Rockies trade Dexter Fowler to Astros for Jordan Lyles

Aaron Gleeman

Dec 3, 2013, 5:25 PM EST

Trade rumors have been swirling around Dexter Fowler for a while now and the Rockies have sent the center fielder to the Astros in exchange for right-hander Jordan Lyles and outfielder Brandon Barnes.

Fowler is 27 years old with two seasons remaining before free agency and the Astros’ payroll is so low that the fact he’s getting expensive probably doesn’t matter to them. His lack of production away from Coors Field is a more important issue, because for his career Fowler has hit just .241 with a .694 OPS on the road compared to .298 with an .880 OPS in Colorado.

Lyles gives the Rockies a potential mid-rotation starter long term, although the former first-round pick struggled through age 22 with a 5.35 ERA in 377 innings. Barnes is little more than a backup outfielder and hit just .240 with a .635 OPS and horrible plate discipline in the first extended action of his career this year at age 27, but he gives the Rockies a possible center field fill-in if they decide not to shift Carlos Gonzalez from a corner spot.



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Padres acquire Seth Smith from A’s for Luke Gregerson

Aaron Gleeman

Dec 3, 2013, 4:44 PM EST

Clearing out their outfield logjam a bit following the deal for Craig Gentry earlier today the A’s have traded Seth Smith to the Padres for reliever Luke Gregerson.

Smith put up some big numbers in Colorado early in his career, but hit just .246 with a .738 OPS in 242 games for Oakland during the past two seasons. It’s unclear exactly what Smith’s role will be in San Diego, although he’s best suited to be a platoon corner outfielder versus right-handed pitching.

Gregerson has posted consistently excellent numbers as a setup man for the Padres, including a sub-3.00 ERA in each of the past three seasons and a career strikeout rate of 9.1 per nine innings. However, much like Smith’s numbers were once helped by Coors Field, his career ERA away from pitcher-friendly Petco Park is 3.85.

Billy Beane is on a trade-making tear, including adding Jim Johnson and Gregerson to a bullpen that already had plenty of late-inning options (Ryan Cook, Sean Doolittle) even after losing Grant Balfour to free agency.



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Report: Red Sox agree to deal with A.J. Pierzynski


I really hope all that stuff about him being a clubhouse cancer is overblown. .

I don't know about Tex/Minn/Chiw , but in SF he was a hated guy.



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Free-agent outfielder Jacoby Ellsbury has reached agreement on a seven-year contract with the New York Yankees pending a physical exam, a baseball source told ESPN.com.

Jacoby Ellsbury is just the latest in a long line of Red Sox heroes who have defected to the Bronx.

The source confirmed a CBSSports.com report that Ellsbury's deal exceeds Carl Crawford's seven-year, $142 million contract with the Boston Red Sox in December 2010.

Ellsbury was on his way from his home in Arizona to New York on Tuesday night to take the physical, the source said.

CBSSports.com first reported that a seven-year deal with Ellsbury appears to be close. ESPN.com's Buster Olney reported the Yankees have an aggressive offer to Ellsbury.

In recent days, the Yankees have become increasingly pessimistic that they will be able to retain second baseman Robinson Cano, feeling as if a team such as the Seattle Mariners would outbid them and top $200 million for Cano.

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Holy shit Ellsbury!!



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Center field and lead-off wasn't exactly a priority though. Sure he's an upgrade over Gardner, but they need some big boppers who don't strike out every other time up. I'm not sure how much this really helps.



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Free-agent outfielder Jacoby Ellsbury has reached agreement on a seven-year contract with the New York Yankees pending a physical exam, a baseball source told ESPN.com.

Johnny Damon Part Deux ????



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Ton of moves the past couple of days....and the winter.meetings start next week.



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clawmaster wrote: Holy shit Ellsbury!!

 A big improvement over Vernon Wells  :)

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Jarrod Saltalamacchia has reached agreement on a three-year, $21 million contract with the]Miami Marlins[size= pending a physical exam, a baseball source told ESPN.com.

Saltalamacchia, 28, is a .246 career hitter with 78 home runs over seven seasons in Atlanta, Texas and Boston. He hit .273 with 14 homers and 65 RBIs in 121 games with the Red Sox this past season.

Saltalamacchia's tenure in Boston reached an end earlier Tuesday when the Red Sox agreed to terms with veteran A.J. Pierzynski on a one-year deal. The Minnesota Twins also had expressed interest in Saltalamacchia before he came to terms with Miami.

Saltalamacchia joins Brian McCann of the New York Yankees, Carlos Ruiz of the Philadelphia Phillies, Dioner Navarro of the Toronto Blue Jays, Jose Molina of the Tampa Bay Rays and Brayan Pena of the Cincinnati Reds as the sixth free-agent catcher to sign a multiyear contract this offseason. He helps upgrade a Miami catching contingent that was in dire need of offensive improvement.

With Jeff Mathis and Rob Brantly logging the bulk of the time behind the plate, Miami's catchers hit a combined .194 with a .529 OPS this past season. They produced only nine home runs in 572 at-bats.
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lobo316 wrote:
clawmaster wrote: Holy shit Ellsbury!!

 A big improvement over Vernon Wells  :)


They're either going to trade Gardner, just about the only players they have with trade value, to get power or pitching or Ichiro gets his playing time cut even more, which he won't at all be happy with at all. Right now you have Gardner moving to left I guess, Ellsbury in center, and Soriano in right, although Soriano would likely DH a lot so then Ichiro could play right. Wells becomes a full-time pinch-hitter if they don't trade/cut him. When they go with a Gardner/Ellsbury/Ichiro outfield, that's maybe the fastest outfield in baseball and one of the better defensive ones, but it's also one almost completely devoid of power. If they really go that route, it will be a totally different style than we've ever seen from the Yankees in their history.

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Rockies reach two-year deal with Justin Morneau

Drew Silva

Dec 3, 2013, 9:48 PM EST

This ultra-active day on the hot stove continues.

According to beat writer Troy Renck of the Denver Post, the Rockies are “closing in on” a two-year contract with free agent first baseman Justin Morneau. No word yet on the financial terms.

Morneau struggled mightily throughout the 2013 season, batting .259 with a .741 OPS in 127 games with the Twins and then .260 with a .681 OPS in 25 games with the Pirates after a late-summer trade. The Rockies will hope that the 32-year-old can return to his old offensive form and serve as a productive replacement for Todd Helton, who retired at the end of the regular season. Michael Cuddyer will presumably stay in right field, where he played 113 games in 2013.

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UPDATE, 10:53 p.m. ET: The two sides have officially agreed to terms, according to CBS Sports’ Jon Heyman. Morneau’s two-year contract with the Rockies will be worth about $13 million total.



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