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 Posted: Fri Nov 15th, 2013 09:26 pm
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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Mike Trout got ripped off again. Better player then Cabrera and had a better season.
Cabrera's team actually made the playoffs. The Angels were 78-84. Trout's production did not equate to wins on the field. Cabrera's did.


It's an individual award, not a team award. While Cabrera had a better overall batting season, Trout wasn't that far behind. Also Trout destroyed Him in Fielding and Base running. Who cares if Detroit made the playoffs. They also had 6 other All Stars around Him. That is just a very weak argument.



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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: clawmaster wrote:
freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Mike Trout got ripped off again. Better player then Cabrera and had a better season.
Cabrera's team actually made the playoffs. The Angels were 78-84. Trout's production did not equate to wins on the field. Cabrera's did.


It's an individual award, not a team award. While Cabrera had a better overall batting season, Trout wasn't that far behind. Also Trout destroyed Him in Fielding and Base running. Who cares if Detroit made the playoffs. They also had 6 other All Stars around Him. That is just a very weak argument.

It's not a weak argument when Trout's team is 6 games below .500. How valuable can you be on a shitty team?



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clawmaster wrote:
freebirdsforever2001 wrote: clawmaster wrote:
freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Mike Trout got ripped off again. Better player then Cabrera and had a better season.
Cabrera's team actually made the playoffs. The Angels were 78-84. Trout's production did not equate to wins on the field. Cabrera's did.


It's an individual award, not a team award. While Cabrera had a better overall batting season, Trout wasn't that far behind. Also Trout destroyed Him in Fielding and Base running. Who cares if Detroit made the playoffs. They also had 6 other All Stars around Him. That is just a very weak argument.

It's not a weak argument when Trout's team is 6 games below .500. How valuable can you be on a shitty team?


This is a Jersey thing. Friend of mine has the same thing going on with Trout. There is no reasoning with him.

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I read those quotes from the journalists, and since when did playing for a contending team become a deciding factor? It's much harder to motivate yourself when playing for a team that sucks, so Trout's performance is even more impressive.

If one of the categories for MVP voting is "played on a contending team" then fair enough, but otherwise it's not the best argument to make. MVP isn't a team award.

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Famous Mortimer wrote:
It's much harder to motivate yourself when playing for a team that sucks, so Trout's performance is even more impressive.


I totally disagree with that. I think it's much harder to play under the pressure of a tight pennant race then it would be if your team is completely out of the race. If your team is 20 games out of a Playoff spot and you go 0 for 4 or you have a bad night on the mound it's not really a big deal but if your team is in the middle of a Playoff race and you go 0 for 4 or have a bad night on the mound then it's definitely a big deal.



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It's much harder to motivate yourself when playing for a team that sucks, so Trout's performance is even more impressive.


I totally disagree with that. I think it's much harder to play under the pressure of a tight pennant race then it would be if your team is completely out of the race. If your team is 20 games out of a Playoff spot and you go 0 for 4 or you have a bad night on the mound it's not really a big deal but if your team is in the middle of a Playoff race and you go 0 for 4 or have a bad night on the mound then it's definitely a big deal.

"Pressure" and "motivation" would seem different things to me, but there is presumably statistical evidence that backs one of us up here? Trying to think of how to phrase the question to see if anyone else has looked at this before.

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I'm definitely of the camp that there's more pressure on a losing ballclub than a winning one. Pressure about jobs for next year, pressure from the media, constant "players only meetings," pressure over attendance, etc. It's far easier when you're winning.

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Ultimark wrote:
clawmaster wrote:
freebirdsforever2001 wrote: clawmaster wrote:
freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Mike Trout got ripped off again. Better player then Cabrera and had a better season.
Cabrera's team actually made the playoffs. The Angels were 78-84. Trout's production did not equate to wins on the field. Cabrera's did.


It's an individual award, not a team award. While Cabrera had a better overall batting season, Trout wasn't that far behind. Also Trout destroyed Him in Fielding and Base running. Who cares if Detroit made the playoffs. They also had 6 other All Stars around Him. That is just a very weak argument.

It's not a weak argument when Trout's team is 6 games below .500. How valuable can you be on a shitty team?


This is a Jersey thing. Friend of mine has the same thing going on with Trout. There is no reasoning with him.


It's not a team award, it's a player award. Trout was the better player and had the better season. It's not that hard to figure out.



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PeteF3 wrote: I'm definitely of the camp that there's more pressure on a losing ballclub than a winning one. Pressure about jobs for next year, pressure from the media, constant "players only meetings," pressure over attendance, etc. It's far easier when you're winning.
I bet there was more pressure with within the Cardinals and Reds than the Astros and Marlins.



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Benlen wrote:
PeteF3 wrote: I'm definitely of the camp that there's more pressure on a losing ballclub than a winning one. Pressure about jobs for next year, pressure from the media, constant "players only meetings," pressure over attendance, etc. It's far easier when you're winning.
I bet there was more pressure with within the Cardinals and Reds than the Astros and Marlins.


Why is that?

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote:

It's not a team award, it's a player award. Trout was the better player and had the better season. It's not that hard to figure out.


But apparently for YOU, it is. You tired making this same horseshit argument last year too about Trout "getting robbed" out of the MVP/TC and you were wrong then, just like you are now.

Cabrera, had a better year statistically batting wise than Trout, you even admit it here:

 While Cabrera had a better overall batting season, Trout wasn't that far behind. Also Trout destroyed Him in Fielding and Base running. Who cares if Detroit made the playoffs. They also had 6 other All Stars around Him. That is just a very weak argument.
Its not an award for fielding or stolen bases, it's an award won for being a better hitter, and overall better than the rest, which Cabrera was better than Trout yet again. Who gives a shit about base running? Only YOU. Cabrera essentially took the team on his back, and led them to the ALCS, while injured for much of the season.

Want Trout to win? Simple: play/hit better than Cabrera, then he could win.


Talk about "weak arguements", yours is the weakest. It's a shame you can't seem to comprehend any of this though. Stick to talking hockey.

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stingmark wrote:

Its not an award for fielding or stolen bases, it's an award won for being a better hitter, and overall better than the rest, which Cabrera was better than Trout yet again. Who gives a shit about base running? Only YOU.

Not quite true, I'm afraid. From an interview with the secretary-treasurer of the BBWAA:

“The rules of the voting remain the same as they were written on the first ballot in 1931: (1) actual value of a player to his team, that is, strength of offense and defense; (2) number of games played; (3) general character, disposition, loyalty and effort; (4) former winners are eligible; and (5) members of the committee may vote for more than one member of a team.”

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stingmark wrote:
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