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Anybody remember these guys?

Anybody have any good stories or tales associated with these guys?

Liked them?  Disliked them?

Gaylord Perry

Willie Montanez

Luis Tiant

Dave Kingman



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Well Perry was often accused of throwing a "spitter". Had the oddest nervous giration thing going on before throwing a pitch.

Luis Tiant I guess is best remembered for his ultra-long windup before delivering a pitch. Gave the Reds all kinds of trouble. Remember that?

Loved Kingman's "nickname" ~ King Kong. Him hitting at Wrigley Field was great stuff. Being in Philly and loving Mike Schmidt, Kingman was a good challenger for the homerun crown every year.

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Kingman was God at Wrigley Field his first year with the Cubs. By the next year, he was Satan and eventually traded. Guy wore out his welcome quickly. I did see him hit a two run homer to win a game at Wrigley.

There's some story about Kingman dumping a pitcher of water over a Chicago Sportswriter's head. I'll see if google can help me out with details. Might have even been a female sportswriter.



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Two stories mixed up.

Dave Kingman threw a ten gallon bucket of ice water on a sportswriter and sent a rat to a female reporter.




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Kingman is perrenially on the short list of the biggest pricks to ever play the game.

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Okay, I will start with Willie Montanez.

He played the outfield and 1st base for the Angels, the Giants, the Phillies, the Braves, the Expos, the Rangers, the Padres, the Mets and the Pirates. 

Montanez was the ultimate hotdog for a MLB player in the 1970's.  For his homerun trot, he would walk to first base and then take a huge loop to go across 1st base. He would jog or trot around the bases and sometimes do a little shuffle at each base.  He received a lot of brush back pitches when he came up, again. 

On fielding, Montanez would take throws at 1st base from another infielder and to make the put-out, he would snap his glove when he caught the ball. On infield fly balls, he would snag them, snap his wrist and then pretend put his gloved hand to his opposite side as if putting his gun in a holster. 

I could not stand him back then, but then looking back, he was pretty entertaining.



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Kingman - blackballed from baseball. In his last season, he hit 35 homers
& had 94 RBI's, all with a measely .210 BA. He3 could have played another
5 years, hitting 30 to 40 home runs every season, but no one would sign him.
Until McGriff & Palmeiro came along, I believe he held the record for most
homeruns hit without being voted into the HOF (442).


Perry - one of his managers once said man would walk on the moon before
Perry hits a home run. July 20 1969 Neil Armstrong walks on the moon.
Later that day, Perry hit the first home run of his career.

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Papa Voo wrote: Okay, I will start with Willie Montanez.

He played the outfield and 1st base for the Angels, the Giants, the Phillies, the Braves, the Expos, the Rangers, the Padres, the Mets and the Pirates. 

Montanez was the ultimate hotdog for a MLB player in the 1970's.  For his homerun trot, he would walk to first base and then take a huge loop to go across 1st base. He would jog or trot around the bases and sometimes do a little shuffle at each base.  He received a lot of brush back pitches when he came up, again. 

On fielding, Montanez would take throws at 1st base from another infielder and to make the put-out, he would snap his glove when he caught the ball. On infield fly balls, he would snag them, snap his wrist and then pretend put his gloved hand to his opposite side as if putting his gun in a holster. 

I could not stand him back then, but then looking back, he was pretty entertaining.


Exactly what came to mind.  My dad liked Willie.  I have a bunch of his cards, but I never saw him play as he was in the NL at the point I started watching baseball. 

I do remember playing catch with my dad, and he was snapping his glove  on the throws.  When I questioned him he said, "That's how Willie Montanez does it.  He's a real hot dog."

 

I only saw Perry and Tiant when they were past their prime.  I liked both of them.  Tiant finished up with the Angles.  I remembered he had that great wind up, and I like it when people called him "El Tiante."

Perry was fun to watch try to psych out the hitter by touching every part of his body before throwing the pitch.  My dad told me stories about the umps making him take his shirt off on the mound to check him for foreign substances.

Kingman... pretty much what everyone else said.  Big HR guy, but a bigger asshole.  Didn't he play for 4 teams in one season?  I remembering someone saying the other "s" was missing from he hat when he played for the A's.

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Kingman was my first favorite player - I started watching baseball and the A's in 1985 and of course he was there, hitting bomb after bomb.  I didnt know all the other stuff until later, but his Oakland years seem to have been his friendlier ones.  No surprise - smaller market, more laid back atmosphere. 

Still love the guy - the broad who got the rat probably deserved it.

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I never get tired reading about Kingman. He supposedly said: " I
always swing hard, just in case I hit the ball." One year he led the league
in homers, while batting .204.
In one game, he hit 3 home runs  against the Dodgers.
One reporter made the mistake of asking Tommy Lasorda's opinion of
Kingman's performance. Here's a link to a youtube video of a number of
Lasorda's tirades. His Kingman comments begin at 1:24 on the video. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPx327SbBQ0

 

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Pete Falcone had a no hitter in the 8th inning against the Braves in 1975. This is what happened:

BRAVES 8TH: Gaston struck out; Blanks grounded out (shortstop to first); Correll walked; 1B Montanez taps baserunner Correll on butt which led to fight (main event Lum vs. Montanez); B. Williams ejected Montanez; ONTIVEROS REPLACED MONTANEZ (PLAYING 1B); GILBREATH BATTED FOR SADECKI; Gilbreath singled to center [Correll to second]; Garr singled to pitcher [Correll to third, Gilbreath to second]; Perez grounded out (first unassisted); 0 R, 2 H, 0 E, 3 LOB. Giants 5, Braves 0.
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1975/B06222ATL1975.htm

So Montanez being his usual self might have rattled Falcone enough to where he immediately gave up a single to the light-hitting Gilbreath and lost his no hitter.

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The thing I remember most about Luis Tiant is that no matter which radio station you were listening to or which TV station you were watching that was carrying one of his games they always used the very same tired oneliner -  It doesn't mater where you are sitting in the ballpark because Luis Tiant will look in your direction at least once during one of his his windups.



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Willie Montanez was entertaining and put some pizazz into the games.  He did the trot around the bases with Fergie Jenkins pitching, and Jenkins took him to the ground with a couple of pitches in a row during the next at-bat. 

King Kong Kingman just reminded me of a big lug who just went out there and swung for the fences, more like a 70's softball player.  Do any of you remember those teams?  All the players were either tall or wide or both, and some others looked like Greg Luzinski twins. 

I may be mistaken but I do not think Gaylord Perry got caught with the grease until the end of his career.  For all the attention he garnered, he only got caught once and that was late in his career, I believe.



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CanadianHorseman wrote: The thing I remember most about Luis Tiant is that no matter which radio station you were listening to or which TV station you were watching that was carrying one of his games they always used the very same tired oneliner -  It doesn't mater where you are sitting in the ballpark because Luis Tiant will look in your direction at least once during one of his his windups.
I like that one-liner about Tiant.  It is the truth.



Two quotes about Tiant:

  • If a man put a gun to my head and said I'm going to pull the trigger if you lose this game, I'd want Luis Tiant to pitch that game. - Former Red Sox manager Darrell Johnson
  • When I was a boy growing up in Cuba, Luis Tiant was a national hero. Now I'm thirty-six and he's thirty-seven - Tony Perez
Only 6 pitchers have pitched 4 or more straight shutouts in the 40-year expansion era.

Don Drysdale (6)

Bob Gibson (5)

Orel Hershiser (5)

Gaylord Perry (4)

Luis Tiant (4)

Roy Oswalt (4)

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I think Perry threw the spit ball from early on in his career.
Read "Me & the Spitter", a book he wrote in 1974 in which he
not only admitted throwing it, but also revealed all his secrets
on how he threw it.
Great topic Papa. All 4 of these guys brought back memories.

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