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 Posted: Fri Jan 31st, 2014 05:27 am
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NASCAR has decided to change the way they award their championship (again), this time by putting 16 teams into the "Chase" and having eliminations after certain races

This s the best cut and paste so far that I have found to explain this clusterfuck of an idea

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The key points of the new Chase format:
• The field is expanded from 12 to 16 drivers. All drivers with a win in the first 26 races and the highest-ranking winless drivers will fill out the 16-driver field. At the beginning of the Chase, each driver will have his or her points reset to 2,000. Three bonus points will be added for each win in the first 26 races.
• The 10-race Chase for the Sprint Cup now contains eliminations. After the first three races, the bottom four drivers will be eliminated. Then after the next three, the next lowest four are eliminated from title contention. Following the ninth race of the season, the top four drivers will go into Homestead on level points standing. The highest finishing driver wins the title.
• If a driver wins a race in a three-race segment, he or she automatically advances to the next three-race segment in the Chase.

So basically under this system you can have a driver win 8 races and be in the top of the standings all year long and have him not win the championship while some fool can win 1 lousy race, finish 9th in the season finale and still be the champion if he finishes ahead of the rest of the "Final Four"

Jesus H Baldheaded Hillbilly Christ, Dale Earnhardt must be rolling over in his grave.






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 Posted: Fri Jan 31st, 2014 10:39 am
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katook wrote:
So basically under this system you can have a driver win 8 races and be in the top of the standings all year long and have him not win the championship while some fool can win 1 lousy race, finish 9th in the season finale and still be the champion if he finishes ahead of the rest of the "Final Four"


It's worse than that.  A driver can win every race until the finale, and come 2nd in that, and still not be champion...



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This is the biggest fuckup in Nascar history, it's embarrassing to the sport.

Also, what is comical is Brian France says "This puts an emphasis on winning races" but if you apply this system to last year, Dale Earnhardt Jr would have won the title with NO WINS:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nascar/2014/01/30/dale-earnhardt-jr-would-have-won-2013-nascar-sprint-cup-championship/5063901/

So yeah, Kargol points the biggest joke of it all, a driver could win 35 straight races and still lose the championship by finishing 3rd place in the final race and the guy in front of him could have won NO races and finished in 2nd place and wins the title...good lord..



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 Posted: Fri Jan 31st, 2014 09:04 pm
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NASCAR has long wanted its playoff moments. They have a chance for it now.

This is all about viewership and ratings. I personally didn't like the Chase at first, but it grew on me.

I'm gonna give this new system a try before I judge it. If it makes the sport more exciting and fun to watch, I'll be for it.



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Maybe they'll get a spike for the final race, but every other race will suffer. Who gives a flying monkey's toss who wins the Pepsi 400 now?



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kargol wrote: Maybe they'll get a spike for the final race, but every other race will suffer. Who gives a flying monkey's toss who wins the Pepsi 400 now?

And the three other elimination races.

Time will tell. It's easy to crap on this on the front end, but many crapped on Major League Baseball going to four playoff teams and that worked out pretty well for the sport.

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At least with baseball you can't have every team play everyone else at the same time. If NASCAR wants to turn it into a four-way shoot out, reduce the field to four.

As it is, imagine if there were, say, one Hendrick car in with a shot at the title. The other Hendricks could just take out the opposition...



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kargol wrote: At least with baseball you can't have every team play everyone else at the same time. If NASCAR wants to turn it into a four-way shoot out, reduce the field to four.

As it is, imagine if there were, say, one Hendrick car in with a shot at the title. The other Hendricks could just take out the opposition...

And I believe that might be some of the beauty of it. Obviously, the announcers and drivers can't tout that might happen, but any fan with a brain can deduct that it could be possible and that creates drama.




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It'd be quite funny if all four crashed out on lap 1. The entire championship would be down to who could get their car repaired first.



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kargol wrote: Maybe they'll get a spike for the final race, but every other race will suffer. Who gives a flying monkey's toss who wins the Pepsi 400 now?
The only way they're gonna get any kind of noticeable spike in any of their "chase" races is to cut the season down to 26 races and start the chase with race #17.  They can gimmick the shit out of their stuff but their chase is up against NFL football and they aren't going to get those viewers. I'm a lifelong racing fan, diehard Nascar guy, grew up in Nascar country, it's in my blood, but guess what, when NFL season starts I'm watching the Panthers play and just checking in on the race..and this surely isn't going to make me change that, in fact, these gimmicks are just driving me and other hardcore Nascar fans like me away. 



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Married Jo, the thing is that NASCAR doesn't even give a rats ass about long time fans like you and I, or even what anybody thinks about their product anymore as long as they can get the big bucks from television rights and sponsorship deals.

I know I'm preaching to the choir here but these days you can just walk right up to the ticket window at any race, even Bristol, and buy a ticket on race day, that was unheard of until the last few years.

I'm a diehard race fan and expect to attend 6-8 races this year (Richmond, Martinsville, Bristol, an maybe Charlotte and Darlington), but I just cannot even care less about how they determine their "champion", and can only enjoy each race as a spectacle of it's own and to hell with points or who finishes where.

If they really want to reward wins, make it simple; Whoever wins the most races is the champion. Purse and Simple.  Tiebreaker would be determined by most 2nd place finsihes, 3rd place finishes, etc until there is a winner.



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Married Jo wrote: kargol wrote: Maybe they'll get a spike for the final race, but every other race will suffer. Who gives a flying monkey's toss who wins the Pepsi 400 now?
The only way they're gonna get any kind of noticeable spike in any of their "chase" races is to cut the season down to 26 races and start the chase with race #17.  They can gimmick the shit out of their stuff but their chase is up against NFL football and they aren't going to get those viewers. I'm a lifelong racing fan, diehard Nascar guy, grew up in Nascar country, it's in my blood, but guess what, when NFL season starts I'm watching the Panthers play and just checking in on the race..and this surely isn't going to make me change that, in fact, these gimmicks are just driving me and other hardcore Nascar fans like me away. 

I'm the same way. I really wish that come chase time they would have more Saturday afternoon and Saturday night races. I love night racing. I wish they'd give up trying to compete with the NFL on Sunday's. 

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I really believe they are doing this so Dale Jr has a shot at the championship, which would mean more eyes on NASCAR (and more dollars in their pockets)



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stone2k wrote: I really believe they are doing this so Dale Jr has a shot at the championship, which would mean more eyes on NASCAR (and more dollars in their pockets)This.

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