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 Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 02:53 pm
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Okay, we touched on this slightly in another thread, so I thought we could start our own thread dealing with those rare but fun times in baseball when a pier-six brawl breaks loose.  I was just watching a pretty good brawl between the Pirates and the Expos from 1994.  Larry Walker charged the mound against Blas Minor.  Of course, this all began due to Pedro Martinez plunking Pirates in the past inning.

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What is the best baseball that you have seen?  A lot of these brawls are a bunch of tackling, pushing and holding jerseys, but which ones jumped out as actual brawls in which fists were flying? 

Do you have any memories of just the moments when they began?  I remember the one in which Aramis Ramirez took off his batting helmet and gunned at the pitcher.  Everybody seems to remember the Robin Ventura incident in which Nolan Ryan blasted him with several shots to the face when Ventura rushed the mound.  Another one I remember is when Dave Winfield  (Padres) charged the mound against Nolan Ryan (Astros), and Ryan took the beating in that one.

I do not think there are any stats kept on this, but who do you think has caused more brawls?  I would definitely think it would be a pitcher.  My guesses would be Pedro Martinez, Nolan Ryan and Pascual Perez. 

Feel free to add some of your own comments and memories.



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Armando Fucking Benitez hitting Tino Martinez square in the back and then getting sucker punched to the face with the best blow I've seen on a baseball field by Darryl Strawberry. 



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HBF wrote: Armando Fucking Benitez hitting Tino Martinez square in the back and then getting sucker punched to the face with the best blow I've seen on a baseball field by Darryl Strawberry. 

Guarantee you that wasn't the best blow Darryl Strawberry had ever seen, though.

Thank you, thank you!  I'll be here all week, folks!



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The Strawberry one was classic.  Nolan Ryan with the headlock and repeated blows to the top of Robin Ventura's head.  The Yanks-Sox one with Pedro and Zimmer.  Juan Marichal hitting Johnny Roseboro over the head with a bat.

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srossi wrote: The Yanks-Sox one with Pedro and Zimmer. 

That was a great one.  Also, the brawl that was started by the Fisk/Munson play at the plate.

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By far, the best one that I actually got to watch in it's entirety was the ' 84 brawl between the Atlanta Braves vs. the San Diego Padres.  The first brawl was rather short and the game started back up and then the second brawl occurred and it went on for over a 1/2 hour.  Of course, Pascual Perez was involved and when he got hit as a batter, he started running around like scared cat only he kept the bat in his hands.

Winfield got in some wicked shots against Nolan Ryan when those two went at it.  It was from this fight that led Ryan to say that he would go on the offensive if somebody charged the mound in the future, and Ventura learned that.



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The 90s Yankees had some good ones. Seems like they always had 1-2 brawls a year that just let the team on fire.

I forget the team it was against, maybe Seattle, some guy hit a Yankee and then was talking back to the Yankees bench while walking towards it, then rushed Joe Girardi, who was in the on deck circle, keeping his head down. I think thats the infamous brawl where when the camera panned to the outfield, away from the pile up, ARod and Jeter were laughing and looking at the fight. I might be mixing up two fights though.

Was Benitez the one who motioned towards the Yankees bench after beaning someone? As far as Straw sucker punching someone, stay out of the other teams dugout, darnit!

The Pedro/zimmer thing was funny. What was Pedro gonna do, someone came towards him from his blind spot, and no way he should have thrown a punch and risked a hand injury.

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bart wrote: Was Benitez the one who motioned towards the Yankees bench after beaning someone? As far as Straw sucker punching someone, stay out of the other teams dugout, darnit!


Pedro pointed at his head after beaning Posada (?) to indicate it was intentional.  I remember a Benitez beaning too, but I don't remember him pointing at the bench.



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srossi wrote: bart wrote: Was Benitez the one who motioned towards the Yankees bench after beaning someone? As far as Straw sucker punching someone, stay out of the other teams dugout, darnit!


Pedro pointed at his head after beaning Posada (?) to indicate it was intentional.  I remember a Benitez beaning too, but I don't remember him pointing at the bench.


I know Pedro that, but someone did the whole motion to the dugout thing back in the 90s. Might not have been Benitez.

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Jeez, my memory is shot. Strawberry went to the O's dugout.

And it was Frank Rodriguez from Seattle that charged the on deck hitter.

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1. Mark McGwire and Edwin Nunez vs. the Detroit Tigers

2. Mark McGwire vs. Kirk McCaskill

3. Mark McGwire vs. Neil Allen

 

Those were fun.  The McCaskill one is the closest to a bodyslam I've ever seen on the field.  The first one was in '95 or '94 or something - Nunez was huge, so was Mac, and each had 3 Tigers apiece pinned against the backstop.

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Was it Cubs-Dodgers that spilled into the stands?



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I never got to see him pitch back in the day, but I would have to think that Bob Gibson's tendency to throw inside caused some tension at times.



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Papa Voo wrote: I never got to see him pitch back in the day, but I would have to think that Bob Gibson's tendency to throw inside caused some tension at times.

Back then pitchers could throw inside and it wasn't a federal indictment every time.

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All I know is whenever I think of baseball fights the first thing that comes to my mind is old man Nolan Ryan totally punking Robin Ventrua and making him his bitch...I just loved that..:D:D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-T-fNzvYng



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