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In the Dave Concepcion debate, a point was made about "East Coast Bias".  By definition, "East Coast Bias" refers to "the tendency for sports writers in the United States to give greater weight and credibility to teams on the Eastern seaboard of the United States". 

So, is this a real phenomenon?  If you think it's real, does it perhaps have something to do with a great percentage of sportwriters being from the Eastern seaboard?  Or do you think it's simply a catchall excuse?  It's your turn to vote... 

Note:  if you think it does exist, please provide one example that you perceive to be "East Coast Bias". 

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Yes.  Example?

ESPN's constant coverage of everything Yankee and Red Sox.

MLB itself's over-promotion of Derek Jeter and A-Rod, especially wiht how much more out there A-Rod is now than ever.

MLB's scheduling of playoff games to ensure the Yankees, Red Sox, or both are always on in prime time, and the A's/Angels/Twins/Dodgers/Cardinals/Padres/Diamondbacks/Giants are on during the day.

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BigJ wrote: Yes.  Example?

ESPN's constant coverage of everything Yankee and Red Sox.

MLB itself's over-promotion of Derek Jeter and A-Rod, especially wiht how much more out there A-Rod is now than ever.

MLB's scheduling of playoff games to ensure the Yankees, Red Sox, or both are always on in prime time, and the A's/Angels/Twins/Dodgers/Cardinals/Padres/Diamondbacks/Giants are on during the day.

So how does that pertain to HoF voting?  Keep in mind, sportswriters vote on the HoF.  San Francisco and Oakland and L.A. and Seattle and Houston and Denver sportswriters all have votes as well.



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Also, lets look at some of the last few players elected to the HoF:

2007 Tony Gwynn-played entire career in San Diego
2006 Bruce Sutter-best years were with Chicago & St. Louis
2005 Ryne Sandberg - played entire career in Chicago
2004 Paul Molitor - played all but three seasons in Milwaukee and Minnesota
2002 Ozzie Smith - Played for San Diego and St. Louis
2001 Bill Mazeroski - played entire career in Pittsburgh
          Kirby Puckett - played entire career in Minnesota
          Tony Perez - played all but 7 of 23 seasons in Cincinnati
1999 Robin Yount - played entire career in Milwaukee
         Nolan Ryan - played all but five seasons in California or Texas
        George Brett - played entire career in Kansas City

These eleven guys mentioned above represent 61% of the players elected to the HoF since 1999.  Not one of them who logged any time on an East Coast team got into the HoF by virtue of their contributions to that team.  As I see it, that's not much of an East Coast bias. 

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Talk to some oldtimers about this and you'll find some will tell you this was actually a bigger factor in the pre-ESPN days because west coast box scores wouldn't be received by print deadline, so results were a day stale during an era when people relied on morning newspapers to stay current in sports. 

Same thing holds similar today because a game which ends at 10pm in LA ends at 1AM NYC time. 



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I think that with MLB, it always seems to go back to the Red Sox and Yankees being the only rivalry that has history and continues strong.

This is not the case witht he NFL or in College football.

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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: BigJ wrote: Yes.  Example?

ESPN's constant coverage of everything Yankee and Red Sox.

MLB itself's over-promotion of Derek Jeter and A-Rod, especially wiht how much more out there A-Rod is now than ever.

MLB's scheduling of playoff games to ensure the Yankees, Red Sox, or both are always on in prime time, and the A's/Angels/Twins/Dodgers/Cardinals/Padres/Diamondbacks/Giants are on during the day.

So how does that pertain to HoF voting?  Keep in mind, sportswriters vote on the HoF.  San Francisco and Oakland and L.A. and Seattle and Houston and Denver sportswriters all have votes as well.

Coverage, pure and simple.  See T-Bolt's post.

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pjstef wrote: I think that with MLB, it always seems to go back to the Red Sox and Yankees being the only rivalry that has history and continues strong.

This is not the case witht he NFL or in College football.

Two words - Giants-Dodgers

And you don't see Peter Gammons creaming his bluejeans about that one.  Ever.

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BigJ wrote: pjstef wrote: I think that with MLB, it always seems to go back to the Red Sox and Yankees being the only rivalry that has history and continues strong.

This is not the case witht he NFL or in College football.

Two words - Giants-Dodgers

And you don't see Peter Gammons creaming his bluejeans about that one.  Ever.

The Dodgers & Giants haven't had much of a rivalry the past few seasons. The Yankees & Sox have met in the playoffs 4 times in the last 8 seasons and had a couple of pennant races go right down to the wire. The Dodgers & Giants don't come close these days.

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bart wrote: The Dodgers & Giants haven't had much of a rivalry the past few seasons. The Yankees & Sox have met in the playoffs 4 times in the last 8 seasons and had a couple of pennant races go right down to the wire. The Dodgers & Giants don't come close these days.

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BigJ wrote: Yes.  Example?

ESPN's constant coverage of everything Yankee and Red Sox.

MLB itself's over-promotion of Derek Jeter and A-Rod, especially wiht how much more out there A-Rod is now than ever.

MLB's scheduling of playoff games to ensure the Yankees, Red Sox, or both are always on in prime time, and the A's/Angels/Twins/Dodgers/Cardinals/Padres/Diamondbacks/Giants are on during the day.

Thanks for pointing out ESPN's obsession with the Yankees and Red Sox. I won't deny that they're two of the most popular and successful teams in baseball, but the coverage of those teams, especially when they play each other, is way out of hand. ESPN figures that since it's a big deal within the New York to Boston corridor, it must be big everywhere. They'd be utterly shocked to realize how little fans in the Midwest and elsewhere care in proportion to the hype.

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tamalie wrote: BigJ wrote: Yes.  Example?

ESPN's constant coverage of everything Yankee and Red Sox.

MLB itself's over-promotion of Derek Jeter and A-Rod, especially wiht how much more out there A-Rod is now than ever.

MLB's scheduling of playoff games to ensure the Yankees, Red Sox, or both are always on in prime time, and the A's/Angels/Twins/Dodgers/Cardinals/Padres/Diamondbacks/Giants are on during the day.

Thanks for pointing out ESPN's obsession with the Yankees and Red Sox. I won't deny that they're two of the most popular and successful teams in baseball, but the coverage of those teams, especially when they play each other, is way out of hand. ESPN figures that since it's a big deal within the New York to Boston corridor that it must be big everywhere. They'd be utterly shocked to realize how little fans in the Midwest and elsewhere care in proportion to the hype.


Of course ESPN is biased though; think about where they're located--Bristol, CT.  Do you think if ESPN were located in, say, Azusa, CA, we wouldn't get Dodger/Giant stuff ad nauseum?

And keep in mind what bart said...you only get this East Coast stuff because both the Sox and Yankees are good now.  Back in the early 1990's, when both teams sucked, that wasn't the case. 

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bart wrote: BigJ wrote: pjstef wrote: I think that with MLB, it always seems to go back to the Red Sox and Yankees being the only rivalry that has history and continues strong.

This is not the case witht he NFL or in College football.

Two words - Giants-Dodgers

And you don't see Peter Gammons creaming his bluejeans about that one.  Ever.

The Dodgers & Giants haven't had much of a rivalry the past few seasons. The Yankees & Sox have met in the playoffs 4 times in the last 8 seasons and had a couple of pennant races go right down to the wire. The Dodgers & Giants don't come close these days.

Red Sox-Yankees still get national press when they're not in contention, so that argument makes little sense.

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BigJ wrote: Red Sox-Yankees still get national press when they're not in contention, so that argument makes little sense.

Uhm, don't think they do.  Feel free to dig up some USA Today archive/Youtube ESPN clip prior to 1996 to prove me wrong, though.  See my previous post for additional comments.

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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: tamalie wrote: BigJ wrote: Yes.  Example?

ESPN's constant coverage of everything Yankee and Red Sox.

MLB itself's over-promotion of Derek Jeter and A-Rod, especially wiht how much more out there A-Rod is now than ever.

MLB's scheduling of playoff games to ensure the Yankees, Red Sox, or both are always on in prime time, and the A's/Angels/Twins/Dodgers/Cardinals/Padres/Diamondbacks/Giants are on during the day.

Thanks for pointing out ESPN's obsession with the Yankees and Red Sox. I won't deny that they're two of the most popular and successful teams in baseball, but the coverage of those teams, especially when they play each other, is way out of hand. ESPN figures that since it's a big deal within the New York to Boston corridor that it must be big everywhere. They'd be utterly shocked to realize how little fans in the Midwest and elsewhere care in proportion to the hype.


Of course ESPN is biased though; think about where they're located--Bristol, CT.  Do you think if ESPN were located in, say, Azusa, CA, we wouldn't get Dodger/Giant stuff ad nauseum?

And keep in mind what bart said...you only get this East Coast stuff because both the Sox and Yankees are good now.  Back in the early 1990's, when both teams sucked, that wasn't the case. 

You're wrong.  Yes it matters that ESPN is there.  But when one or both were bad, the coverage was still there.

Meanwhile, look at the dimmer spotlight on Cubs-White Sox this very year. 

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