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 Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 12:17 am
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srossi wrote: Oh, quit yer whining.  ESPN is a national station and they need to air the gane that will get the highest national rating.  The Yankees or Red Sox will do a better number than the Pirates no matter what their records are.  Just like the Cowboys and Packers always got more Monday and Sinday Night Football games than the Jets.

Again, chicken or the egg.  Hype creates ratings.  They could hype competitive dog shitting and draw a rating if they wanted.

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BigJ wrote: srossi wrote: Oh, quit yer whining.  ESPN is a national station and they need to air the gane that will get the highest national rating.  The Yankees or Red Sox will do a better number than the Pirates no matter what their records are.  Just like the Cowboys and Packers always got more Monday and Sinday Night Football games than the Jets.

Again, chicken or the egg.  Hype creates ratings.  They could hype competitive dog shitting and draw a rating if they wanted.


You're contradicting yourself.  Everyone not on the east coast always says that we'd be amazed to discover how few people care about the Yanks and Sox everywhere else.  So people are either interested in watching or they're not.  Casual fans are MUCH more likely to watch a football game between two teams they don't have rooting interest in more than a baseball game.  90% of the time, if you're watching a baseball game you care who wins.  Which is why they can't put the Pirates on because even half of Pittsburgh doesn't care.

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With the way MLB ratings have been this year (awful to say the least, the new TBS package has been a disaster), the joke going around is that MLB will try and get a Yankees-Red Sox series every single weekend next season.

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And how about road attendance being higher for the Yankees than any other team too?  You gonna blame that on ESPN?  They show up, they draw.  They leave, and some of these teams can't get their stadium half filled again.  It's bringing in Andre to pop a territory.



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I'm not contradicting myself.  It is chicken or the egg.  I'll play off your Andre comparison.

Andre's coming in 3 weeks.  Everyone knows he's coming, but the announcers dont mention the significance.  Just another wrestler.  Attendance boost?  No.

On the other side...

Andre's coming in 3 weeks.  Every week, twice a show, Mean Gene's telling you "don't miss this - tickets are going fast - get you tickets now to see the legendary Andre the Giant"  Attendance boost?  Yes.

Only difference is the "news" outlet is the carnival barker not the team itself.  You're in NY, so you don't see it.  The Yankees are hyped to death.  And the box scores and schedule say "Next: Friday, Yankees at Oakland, Mussina vs. Duchscherer"

Holy shit the Yanks are in town!

It's chicken or the egg. 

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LAF wrote: With the way MLB ratings have been this year (awful to say the least, the new TBS package has been a disaster),
TBS's broadcasts are a disaster, that's what's causing that.  Oh and MLB doesnt promote that the games are on TBS.

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BigJ wrote: I'm not contradicting myself.  It is chicken or the egg.  I'll play off your Andre comparison.

Andre's coming in 3 weeks.  Everyone knows he's coming, but the announcers dont mention the significance.  Just another wrestler.  Attendance boost?  No.

On the other side...

Andre's coming in 3 weeks.  Every week, twice a show, Mean Gene's telling you "don't miss this - tickets are going fast - get you tickets now to see the legendary Andre the Giant"  Attendance boost?  Yes.

Only difference is the "news" outlet is the carnival barker not the team itself.  You're in NY, so you don't see it.  The Yankees are hyped to death.  And the box scores and schedule say "Next: Friday, Yankees at Oakland, Mussina vs. Duchscherer"

Holy shit the Yanks are in town!

It's chicken or the egg. 

Pure speculation.  You can't get inside people's heads and guess their motivation.  Ticket sales and ratings are objective, you're countering the argument for your own purposes with something totally subjective.  Can't be proven or disproven.



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Absolutely, it exists. It's even worse now that New York and/or Boston teams dominate three of the four major leagues (thank God for the NHL, which the US media outside of Detroit ignores).

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srossi wrote: BigJ wrote: I'm not contradicting myself.  It is chicken or the egg.  I'll play off your Andre comparison.

Andre's coming in 3 weeks.  Everyone knows he's coming, but the announcers dont mention the significance.  Just another wrestler.  Attendance boost?  No.

On the other side...

Andre's coming in 3 weeks.  Every week, twice a show, Mean Gene's telling you "don't miss this - tickets are going fast - get you tickets now to see the legendary Andre the Giant"  Attendance boost?  Yes.

Only difference is the "news" outlet is the carnival barker not the team itself.  You're in NY, so you don't see it.  The Yankees are hyped to death.  And the box scores and schedule say "Next: Friday, Yankees at Oakland, Mussina vs. Duchscherer"

Holy shit the Yanks are in town!

It's chicken or the egg. 

Pure speculation.  You can't get inside people's heads and guess their motivation.  Ticket sales and ratings are objective, you're countering the argument for your own purposes with something totally subjective.  Can't be proven or disproven.

Now you're echoing me so I fail to see where we disagree.  It IS speculation, that's the point.  Do the Sox/Yanks games draw because its Sox/Yanks or because that's the heavily hyped matchup? 

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Before I voice my opinion, let me state for the record I live in Pittsburgh so as already defined in the thread I'm not counted as "east coast" in this discussion.

Having said that, I think the whole East Coast Bias thing is just mostly whining from sports fans who live in the boonies who are envious of the Yankees and Sox. I don't even care about either team, but if you really think the only reason they get publicity is because of some sort of bias, there's nothing else that can really be said. 


What's funny is that the East Coast Bias only seems to exist in baseball. What team gets on prime time more than seemingly any other every year? The Steelers. No one gives a shit about either NY team outside of NY, and no one gave a shit about the Patriots until they started winning Super Bowls.  Who gets all the attention in the NBA? The Lakers (and before that, the Bulls). In hockey, as stated before, no one gives a shit outside of Detroit and Pittsburgh (which I'd argue has a more rabid fanbase but again it's still hockey).  



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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: tamalie wrote: Since I voted "Yes" another example of East Coast bias would be how certain New York players are perceived and hyped in relation to players elsewhere.

Joe Namath is in the NFL Hall of Fame. He had the Super Bowl III win to his credit. However he never had a passer rating above 74.3 and is 65.5 for his career. He also threw more interceptions that touchdown passes in 11 out of 13 seasons. Apart from that Super Bowl win, he made the HOF on the basis the New York media and New York based national media latching onto and pushing his looks, charisma, record breaking contract, and overall celebrity. Had he posted those numbers, even with a Super Bowl win, in Kansas City or Cleveland, Namath would not be in the Hall or be the legend he is.


So do we need to ask you who you DO care about so you can at least discuss the example?

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BuddyPSHayes wrote: Absolutely, it exists. It's even worse now that New York and/or Boston teams dominate three of the four major leagues (thank God for the NHL, which the US media outside of Detroit ignores).

I'd add Pittsburgh and Buffalo to the US Media that cares about the NHL.



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JB5 wrote: So do we need to ask you who you DO care about so you can at least discuss the example?

I assume this question is directed towards me in relation to my Joe Namath response. 

I typed my response pretty hastily, and upon further reflection, have concluded that the Namath example is in fact NOT a good example.

Why?  Because it's the NFL.  Different selection process entirely, with beat writer representatives from each pro football city.  Not only that, but haven't we established that East Coast bias doesn't apply to any Hall of Fame voting process?

Again, please keep in mind that "East Coast bias" is not a catchall phrase to heap scorn on Frankie Frisch (who just so happened to play in NY) or Joe Namath's borderline stats getting him into the HoF.  "East Coast bias" relates strictly to the media (especially ESPN), and it's coverage of certain games.  As far as it pertains to Hall of Fame election/selection, it is totally irrelevant. 



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Now that douchebag Packer is no longer doing NCAA basketball broadcasts maybe we won't hear incessantly about how great the ACC is ad nauseum.

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Do the Sox/Yanks games draw because its Sox/Yanks or because that's the heavily hyped matchup? 


Ratings mostly due to hype? I don't think I buy that. ESPN hypes what is covers. If it were a matter of simply hyping, then ESPN might have done more numbers for their NHL games - or for Arena ball. The NBA post-Jordan would not have lost so much ratings if it was just hype that had kept the numbers lofty.


People watch the teams they want to see. They watch the Patriots when they are on Monday night because they are hot. It is in the best interest of a network to give the fans the coverage that goes the farthest with the widest audience. There is no charity. It is equal opportunity hyping on the part of a network to get higest ratings for any show they cover - be it poker, the NFL Monday Night game, or a baseball matchup. The Yankees draw far better in other cities than do most teams. If a hype machien would just fix it, then the Marlins would actually draw 20k fans for other teams than come in.

NY transplants in other cities play a part in it too. But so does the success of the team. Likewise the Red Sox - I see Sox jerseys in traditional Yankee areas, because they are on top. Since 96 this is the MLB rivalry that has had the sizzle. Yes it had taken a hiatus before then, but 12 or 13 seasons running is not bad at all for a rivalry to do well on TV.

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