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 Posted: Thu Sep 22nd, 2016 02:24 pm
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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: Franchise wrote: I watch maybe 3hrs of football a week and it will begin to dwindle as the season goes on. The flags, the replays, the challenges, the hyper analyzing of every play, the inability for the defense to actually defend, changes to extra points and touch backs. 

This is a good take.  Much like "Raw", you can usually condense a 3 hour broadcast into about an hour.  Oftentimes what I'll do is DVR the Patriots.  Then if it's a 1:00 start, I won't start the DVR until around 2:00.  I'll skip through most of the commercials/flags/dead time/other garbage that goes into a 3 hour game.  By the time the fourth quarter starts, I'm usually caught up and watch the remainder in real time, but I've actually been given back an hour or so to do other stuff.  

Realistically I could push it to 1.5 or 2 hours, but I don't always like to skip absolutely everything.  The biggest challenge is trying to stay radio silent for those first three quarters.

Football is so attractive to advertisers because it's supposed to be the last DVR-proof programming left, but I DVR games too and watch them in 90 minutes. 

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srossi wrote: dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: Franchise wrote: I watch maybe 3hrs of football a week and it will begin to dwindle as the season goes on. The flags, the replays, the challenges, the hyper analyzing of every play, the inability for the defense to actually defend, changes to extra points and touch backs. 

This is a good take.  Much like "Raw", you can usually condense a 3 hour broadcast into about an hour.  Oftentimes what I'll do is DVR the Patriots.  Then if it's a 1:00 start, I won't start the DVR until around 2:00.  I'll skip through most of the commercials/flags/dead time/other garbage that goes into a 3 hour game.  By the time the fourth quarter starts, I'm usually caught up and watch the remainder in real time, but I've actually been given back an hour or so to do other stuff.  

Realistically I could push it to 1.5 or 2 hours, but I don't always like to skip absolutely everything.  The biggest challenge is trying to stay radio silent for those first three quarters.

Football is so attractive to advertisers because it's supposed to be the last DVR-proof programming left, but I DVR games too and watch them in 90 minutes. 


On the flip side, I think Fantasy Football is probably the best thing to happen to the NFL in terms of increasing/maintaining viewership. I can honestly say we're it not for FF, I wouldn't watch half as much NFL as I do. 
Case in point, this past Monday night my opponent had the Philly D going in a match in which I was up by 8, so I was very interested in that game. Without that, I wouldn't have gone within 10 feet of that shitfest. 



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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: srossi wrote: dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: Franchise wrote: I watch maybe 3hrs of football a week and it will begin to dwindle as the season goes on. The flags, the replays, the challenges, the hyper analyzing of every play, the inability for the defense to actually defend, changes to extra points and touch backs. 

This is a good take.  Much like "Raw", you can usually condense a 3 hour broadcast into about an hour.  Oftentimes what I'll do is DVR the Patriots.  Then if it's a 1:00 start, I won't start the DVR until around 2:00.  I'll skip through most of the commercials/flags/dead time/other garbage that goes into a 3 hour game.  By the time the fourth quarter starts, I'm usually caught up and watch the remainder in real time, but I've actually been given back an hour or so to do other stuff.  

Realistically I could push it to 1.5 or 2 hours, but I don't always like to skip absolutely everything.  The biggest challenge is trying to stay radio silent for those first three quarters.

Football is so attractive to advertisers because it's supposed to be the last DVR-proof programming left, but I DVR games too and watch them in 90 minutes. 


On the flip side, I think Fantasy Football is probably the best thing to happen to the NFL in terms of increasing/maintaining viewership. I can honestly say we're it not for FF, I wouldn't watch half as much NFL as I do. 
Case in point, this past Monday night my opponent had the Philly D going in a match in which I was up by 8, so I was very interested in that game. Without that, I wouldn't have gone within 10 feet of that shitfest. 


FF and gambling has been the lifeblood of the NFL for ages now. 



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I think there are too many replay/booth reviews. That's not going to change. I still watch anyway. It's good to have on in the living room while I am doing errands around the house. I can't even imagine sitting through an entire game like I used to.

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The problem, beyond the social issues with the National Anthem, is the rules. And it isn't about any rules that affect player safety. People overall can understand and accept those and deal with a less hard hitting type game.

IMO the rules problems are the overly "legalistic" nature of the rules. You have to be a Harvard law graduate to interpret whether a "catch is a catch". For hal;f these calls you need a IF A go to B but if not go to C which leads you to D, E, F, etc. Geez Louise. Just let them play some ball.

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The NFL has had a lot of negative press over the past several years:

- Players committing serious crimes (Michael Vick and dog fighting, Ray Lewis and alleged murder coverup, Ray Rice and domestic abuse, Adrian Peterson and child abuse, etc)

- Deflategate

- Concussion cover-up

- Kaepernik's protest

I suspect that a number of people are sick of how their supposed "heroes" are acting and are showing their displeasure by turning off the TV.

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Quattro wrote: The problem, beyond the social issues with the National Anthem, is the rules. And it isn't about any rules that affect player safety. People overall can understand and accept those and deal with a less hard hitting type game.

IMO the rules problems are the overly "legalistic" nature of the rules. You have to be a Harvard law graduate to interpret whether a "catch is a catch". For hal;f these calls you need a IF A go to B but if not go to C which leads you to D, E, F, etc. Geez Louise. Just let them play some ball.
This is what gets me. I am an NFL fan and I can't take any more talk of "the process'. 



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If this is still applicable after eight weeks, it's an issue. Not after two.

Too many commercials? The load is the same as it has been for years. Most people use the commercials to get a beer, take a leak, click to another game, check their phone, etc. Not a big problem.

Too few stars? P. Manning retired, Brady suspended. Could take interest away from games involving Denver and NE.

Good weather? Legitimate issue. In the Northeast and Midwest, take advantage of late summer before it's too late.

Too much scandal? People don't care. They want games. They don't care if scumbags play them.

Reaction to protests? Could be. I guess that's out on social media and probably some people are buying into it.

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I wouldn't say this a huge issue yet, but the NFL is facing a ticking timebomb with this concussion shit.  I don't know what the NFL will look like in 30 years.  There's little doubt that contact football will be eliminated below at least the high school level very soon almost everywhere.  There are tons of parents who won't even let their high school kids play football anymore, and that's increasing exponentially every year.  College programs will likely change the game as we know it within 10-15 years.  All this will obviously trickle down and effect talent levels and quality of play at the NFL level.  And that's just assuming things progress at the level we're seeing now.  But it will pick up steam.  This is the tip of the iceberg.  The scandal hasn't even begun yet.  The lawsuits will pour in, the bad press will be endless, the NFL will be financially crippled if one single legal precedent goes against it, politicians will be all over them, and no matter how popular the NFL thinks it is there are always tens of millions of Americans who don't give a shit about it or dislike it.  There are 26 year olds playing today who are going to be the most outspoken critics of the game in another 20 years, and not 1 or 2, but likely 100 or more.  The best athletes will choose other sports that guarantee more money and allow longer careers without the early-onset dementia, and NFL teams will have to counter by guaranteeing more money to subpar players at a time when revenue is down and then being screwed when guys with $150 million guaranteed contracts get hurt.  The rules changes will continue to the point that the game is unrecognizable so that the fans that are left are disgusted, and you're only going to have the gamblers left.            

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Big Garea Fan wrote: The NFL has had a lot of negative press over the past several years:

- Players committing serious crimes (Michael Vick and dog fighting, Ray Lewis and alleged murder coverup, Ray Rice and domestic abuse, Adrian Peterson and child abuse, etc)

- Deflategate

- Concussion cover-up

- Kaepernik's protest

I suspect that a number of people are sick of how their supposed "heroes" are acting and are showing their displeasure by turning off the TV.

You missed Greg Hardy, who singlehandedly did more to hurt the Dallas Cowboys than everything bad over the past 50 years.  I personally know people who gave up on Dallas after they signed him, because they felt that it made Dallas look like a second class organization.



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Regarding the 49ers hosting the Rams in the back end of the Monday Night Football doubleheader, while I'm sure the NFL wanted to give the Rams a choice spot for their first regular season game as a Los Angeles based team since the 1994 season, accommodating the 49ers was the more important aspect of this and ties into why the 49ers and Raiders so often get prime time or Thanksgiving games when their previous season's records and outlooks don't justify marquee spots.

The single biggest challenge to the NFL schedule makers comes from the 49ers and Raiders, even more so than the Jets and Giants despite those teams sharing a stadium. The issue is that the Raiders and 49ers can't be on TV at the same time as one another, but unlike the Jets and Giants can only host Sunday afternoon games in the late afternoon window. Keep in mind that all 8 of each team's home games are in the Pacific time zone, while the 49ers have an additional 3 road games in the Pacific and Mountain time zones, and the Raiders have an additional 2 home games in the Pacific time zone. Every fourth year the AFC West and NFC West face off in non-conference games. That means that the 49ers get an additional 2 Pacific and Mountain time zone games while the Raiders get another 3 in each of those two time zones.

That makes booking these games extremely difficult. So the NFL uses separate bye weeks for the 49ers and Raiders along with carefully placed prime time games and the occasional London game, even as a visiting team, to ensure that both teams get in the clear when at home on Sunday afternoon. This season the NFC West plays the AFC East and the AFC West faces off with the NFC South, so the schedule was easier to make than in many years. However, the NFL still apparently schedule the 49ers and Raiders before it books any other games. That means that we fans get games from these two teams in prime time even when we don’t want to see them.

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Regarding the persistent worry about the NFL, concussions, contact, equipment changes, and rule changes to make the game safer, the fact is that today's players still are faster, stronger, and hit harder than ever before. Honestly, go watch a game from the 1970s or 1980s on YouTube. There are games there if you know where to look although the NFL enforces its legal rights to the footage and has stuff pulled down regularly. That era is looked at very nostalgically as "real football" and a time when the game was tough and played by tough men, certainly tougher than now. However, a game from 1978 or 1988 looks not exactly like it's in slow motion compared to now, but it all looks a half step off somehow. The game was much slower and for all the glory of the mud and blood, it wasn't as hard hitting although how could hit or tackle someone was admittedly broader. I see the argument of the game getting soft as the equivalent to wrestling fans of a certain generation getting upset over matches today and longing for a past that wasn't nearly as rosy as it seems in the faded memories of aging men.

As far as parents not letting kids play football, my take is that demographically these kids for the vast most part aren't the ones who'd ever project to being in the NFL or even major college football. Even if the pool of total players at the levels of small college, high school and below decreases, it won't actually impact the talent available to the NFL.

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tamalie wrote: . That means that we fans get games from these two teams in prime time even when we don’t want to see them.WHAT!:X



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Down again

Monday night down I get why but everything else is down also

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beejmi wrote: Down again

Monday night down I get why but everything else is down also

MNF was going down either way with that matchup.
LOL @ 1.75 for Raw though

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