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beejmi wrote: Are the 'Winnipeg Jets' that were the 'Atlanta Thrashers' the same Winnipeg Jets that are now the 'Arizona Coyotes'?

The Coyotes all-time records include the original Jets.

The current Jets all-time records include the Thrashers.

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San Diego Rockets move to Houston
Philadelphia Warriors to San Francisco to Golden State/Oakland



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Principal_Raditch wrote: They merged with the Minnesota North Stars
They merged with the expansion San Jose Sharks before leaving for the lone star state.

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The Washington Senators became the Minnesota Twins and a second time became the Texas Rangers.

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The Twins pretty much ignore their Washington Senators history apart from the acknowledgement that the team moved to Minnesota from DC and occasional other moments when it is unavoidable. For all intents and purposes, the team's history begins with the arrival of the team here in 1961. The current Senators have not officially adopted the previous versions of the team for things like records, but consider them part of their history. However, I think their Montreal Expos past gets lost in shuffle a bit.

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Here is a relocation that wasn't. The Seattle Pilots joined the AL in 1969, but were playing in an expanded AAA park with badly undercapitalized ownership while the expected approval of what eventually became the Kingdome was stuck in political red tape. So practically on the eve of the 1970 season, that club became the Milwaukee Brewers. Parties in Seattle sued and eventually it was agreed that Seattle would get an AL team via relocation or expansion at the earliest possible opportunity once the new stadium was ready to open. Ahead of the 1976 season it looked like the White Sox would leave Chicago for Seattle with the A's moving from Oakland to Comiskey Park in Chicago. A's owner Charlie Finley lived and had his insurance agency in the Chicago area while the A's never drew as well as one would have expected during their dynasty era of the early 1970s. Bill Veeck then bought the White Sox to prevent this relocation scheme from occurring. The Seattle Mariners were added to the AL in 1977 along with the Toronto Blue Jays, Toronto nearly having scored the Giants a year or two earlier.

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Original San Diego Padres owner C. Arnholt Smith committed one of the biggest banking frauds, which led to one of the biggest banking failures, in history in the early 1970s. His chicanery was detailed in a college business class text book of mine that otherwise had nothing to do with sports. The resulting bankruptcy put the Padres on the block and since they'd been a bust on the field and at the gate in San Diego, it looked like they'd be sold to a group which would then relocate the team to Washington DC for the 1974 season. McDonald's owner Ray Kroc bought the Padres at the last moment and kept them in San Diego.

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LAF wrote: beejmi wrote: Are the 'Winnipeg Jets' that were the 'Atlanta Thrashers' the same Winnipeg Jets that are now the 'Arizona Coyotes'?

The Coyotes all-time records include the original Jets.

The current Jets all-time records include the Thrashers.

That's more complicated than the lineage of the WWE titles post-2001.



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The Baltimore Orioles (not connected with the famous 1890's NL version) to the New York Yankees

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Principal_Raditch wrote: Off the top of my head 
MLB
Philly A's to KC then to Oakland As.
St Louis Browns to Baltimore to become the Orioles
Mtl Expos to Washington Nationals
1st Incarnation of the Washington Senators to Minnesota Twins
2nd Incarnation of the Washington Senators to the Texas Rangers
Seattle Pilots to the Milwaukee Brewers
NY Giants to SF Giants
Brooklyn Dodgers to LA Dodgers
Boston Braves to Milwaukee Braves to Atlanta Braves

NHL
Atlanta Thrashers to Winnipeg Jets
Quebec Nordiques to Colorado Avs
KC Scouts to Colorado Rockies to NJ Devils
Atlanta Flames to Calgary Flames
Hartford Whalers to Carolina Hurricanes
Minnesota North Stars to Dallas Stars
Winnipeg Jets to Arizona Coyotes
California Golden Seals to Cleveland Barons

NBA
Seattle Supersonics to OKC Thunder
NO Jazz to Utah Jazz
Buffalo Braves to SD CLippers to LA Clippers
Minneapolis Lakers to LA Lakers
Vancouver Grizzlies to Memphis Grizzlies
Baltimore Bullets to Washington Bullets
St Louis Hawks to Atlanta Hawks
Charlotte Hornets to NO Hornets
NJ Nets to Brooklyn Nets
KC Kings to Sacramento Kings

NFL/AFL
Oakland Raiders to LA Raiders to Oakland Raiders to LV Raiders
LA Chargers to SD Chargers to LA Chargers
Dallas Texans to KC Chiefs
LA Rams to STL Rams to LA Rams
Houston OIlers to Tenn Titans
Cleveland Browns to Baltimore Ravens
Balt Colts to Indy Colts
STL Cardinals to Az Cardinals



Those are the ones I can think of. Tons more in the early 1900's with the NHL and MLB that I'd have to look up or think longer on. 
The KC/Omaha Kings were the Cincinnati Royals who were originally the Rochester Royals. 
LA Rams were the Cleveland Rams
St. Louis Cardinals were originally the Chicago Cardinals.
The NJ Nets were the New York Nets in the ABA.  That team came from somewhere else I think although I cannot recall it off the top of my head.

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Ok, did a wiki search on the Nets. Started as the New Jersey Americans.

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Detroit Pistons were the Fort Wayne Pistons.

The Sixers were the Syracuse Nationals.

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The San Antonio Spurs were the Dallas Chaparrals.

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Chicago Bears were the Decatur Staleys for the first NFL season.

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It's a bit complicated, but the Coyotes should disavow their Winnipeg Jets history and consider the team an effective expansion club that began in 1996-97. The 1972-96 Winnipeg Jets history should then be adopted by the current version of the team. This has already happened in the NBA.

The Charlotte Hornets moved to New Orleans effective the 2002-03 season for frankly idiotic reasons. The NBA realized this and it led to the creation of the Charlotte Bobcats effective 2004-05 season. People in Charlotte didn't warm up to the new team and didn't like that what they considered their team was in Louisiana.

When Saints owner Tom Benson bought the New Orleans Hornets, he both was open to returning the Hornets name and legacy to Charlotte and getting a more locally relevant name. He got told no dice when asking the Utah Jazz for the name, so his team became the New Orleans Pelicans effective 2014-15 which is the official state bird and is a former minor league baseball team name.

The Hornets name and legacy were returned to Charlotte and the Charlotte Hornets name once again lived, with the Bobcats name junked. The Hornets also got the 1988-2002 history back and consider it official with the 2002-04 period dormant and the history continued via the 2004-05 season and beyond. The Pelicans consider their history to have started in 2002-03 and make no claim to the Charlotte Hornets history before then.

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