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 Posted: Wed Jul 5th, 2017 11:12 pm
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Yankees w/ 200+ Total Bases and 50+ walks before All-Star Break:


Aaron Judge

Mickey Mantle (1956)
Lou Gehrig (1936)

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The Yankees are a solid team- look at their rankings both offensive and pitching on yahoo. They may not be #1, but they are single digits across the board.

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chrob61 wrote: The Yankees are a solid team- look at their rankings both offensive and pitching on yahoo. They may not be #1, but they are single digits across the board.Yankees look good on offense this year but I don't see them getting past the Astros..



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chrob61 wrote: The Yankees are a solid team- look at their rankings both offensive and pitching on yahoo. They may not be #1, but they are single digits across the board.
Yankees pitching is in freefall.  No one expected the starters to continue to be good, but the fact that extremely reliable relievers like Betances (who's still going to the All-Star Game) and Clippard can't throw strikes the past few weeks is unexpected.  Every loss seems like a heart-breaker because their offense gets them back in it after the starter digs a hole for them, and then the bullpen blows it.  This is not a very good team right now, but I didn't expect anything from them this year anyway.  The development of these young offensive players is way ahead of schedule and this team will be unstoppable in 2 years when they're all in their prime and the Yankees can go out and spend some cash on pitchers. 

But you're simply not going to win with Tanaka having a bad year, Sabathia running on fumes, Pineda who we have to assume will always be maddeningly inconsistent, Severino, and Montgomery.  Severino should be a solid #2 for years to come and Montgomery is fine and could evolve into a #4.  They need to build around those guys.But it's hard to do in the current baseball environment because 1) injuries and Tommy John surgeries in particular are out of control and 2) starting pitching has lost most of its value as teams seem to turn to the bullpen to get half the outs in 3 out of 5 games.  The role of the starting pitcher itself is in danger of going extinct.  You can count on one hand the number of pitchers who a manager will consistently let pitch 7 innings.  7 is the new 9, and that's moving towards 6, and maybe in 10 years 5.  And that's for the BEST pitchers. 

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srossi wrote: chrob61 wrote: The Yankees are a solid team- look at their rankings both offensive and pitching on yahoo. They may not be #1, but they are single digits across the board.
Yankees pitching is in freefall.  No one expected the starters to continue to be good, but the fact that extremely reliable relievers like Betances (who's still going to the All-Star Game) and Clippard can't throw strikes the past few weeks is unexpected.  Every loss seems like a heart-breaker because their offense gets them back in it after the starter digs a hole for them, and then the bullpen blows it.  This is not a very good team right now, but I didn't expect anything from them this year anyway.  The development of these young offensive players is way ahead of schedule and this team will be unstoppable in 2 years when they're all in their prime and the Yankees can go out and spend some cash on pitchers. 

But you're simply not going to win with Tanaka having a bad year, Sabathia running on fumes, Pineda who we have to assume will always be maddeningly inconsistent, Severino, and Montgomery.  Severino should be a solid #2 for years to come and Montgomery is fine and could evolve into a #4.  They need to build around those guys.But it's hard to do in the current baseball environment because 1) injuries and Tommy John surgeries in particular are out of control and 2) starting pitching has lost most of its value as teams seem to turn to the bullpen to get half the outs in 3 out of 5 games.  The role of the starting pitcher itself is in danger of going extinct.  You can count on one hand the number of pitchers who a manager will consistently let pitch 7 innings.  7 is the new 9, and that's moving towards 6, and maybe in 10 years 5.  And that's for the BEST pitchers. 

I will default to your wisdom- you should know best!  I am going off yahoo team stats. 

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Do the Yankees have any prospects in the minor leagues that they are not counting on going forward (Gleyber Torres and the like) that could be offered to Detroit and get them to bite for Justin Verlander? The Yankees can absorb the salary and need a front line pitcher. There's no doubt that Verlander is ready to leave and he's not having fun...a pennant race would sharpen him up. Illich's death seems to be making the Tigers less likely to want to pay big money until the estate settles things, and by ridding them of a $60M plus contract for this year and the next two might just be enticing to them.



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Superstar wrote: Do the Yankees have any prospects in the minor leagues that they are not counting on going forward (Gleyber Torres and the like) that could be offered to Detroit and get them to bite for Justin Verlander? The Yankees can absorb the salary and need a front line pitcher. There's no doubt that Verlander is ready to leave and he's not having fun...a pennant race would sharpen him up. Illich's death seems to be making the Tigers less likely to want to pay big money until the estate settles things, and by ridding them of a $60M plus contract for this year and the next two might just be enticing to them.
The Yankees still have the 2nd ranked system (behind only the Braves) even after Judge and Sanchez made it big.  They have lots of guys (Blake Rutherford and Justus Sheffield are 2 of the other big guns, not counting Clint Frazier who is getting his cup of coffee in the bigs right now due to injury).  Verlander though?  That seems like a trade we'll regret.  I don't want him or his contract. 

But if they want almost any veteran pitcher from a non-elite team, they easily have the ability to make a trade at the deadline.  I'm struggling to think of anyone I would be willing to give up top prospects for though.  And this year is too early.  They're not winning the WS this year no matter what.  I'd be more inclined to do it if it's acquiring the final piece of the puzzle in another year or two.    

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(rumor) Yankees just picked up Cueto from Giants, they have Stratton starting today vs. Detroit.
FALSE ALARM- here's the real scoop, Cueto scratched with inner ear infection.
http://www.sfchronicle.com/giants/article/Giants-scratch-Johnny-Cueto-at-last-minute-with-11270138.php&cmpid=twitter-premium

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chrob61 wrote: (rumor) Yankees just picked up Cueto from Giants, they have Stratton starting today vs. Detroit.
He's better than Verlander



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chrob61 wrote: (rumor) Yankees just picked up Cueto from Giants, they have Stratton starting today vs. Detroit.
I've heard that rumor for several months now.  I'll believe it when I see it.  He's already 31 and has an ERA over 4.00 this year in the N.L.  I don't think he's the guy who will suddenly set the world on fire for them.



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Superstar wrote: chrob61 wrote: (rumor) Yankees just picked up Cueto from Giants, they have Stratton starting today vs. Detroit.
He's better than Verlander

Sorry- that was an incorrect rumor- I am following the yahoo feeds on the Giants/Tigers game and got that one WRONG! So scratch that!

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Inner ear infection on Cueto- story above.

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chrob61 wrote: Superstar wrote: chrob61 wrote: (rumor) Yankees just picked up Cueto from Giants, they have Stratton starting today vs. Detroit.
He's better than Verlander

Sorry- that was an incorrect rumor- I am following the yahoo feeds on the Giants/Tigers game and got that one WRONG! So scratch that!

Every time Cueto blinks they say he's coming to the Yankees.  Not sure why some involved in the rumor mill are so obsessed with that particular deal. 



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beejmi wrote: Yankees w/ 200+ Total Bases and 50+ walks before All-Star Break:


Aaron Judge

Mickey Mantle (1956)
Lou Gehrig (1936)


Here's a negative stat for Judge. He is striking out at an alarming rate. After 81 games, he has struckout 104 times. As the pitchers make adjustments & figure him out, he will end up with over 200 strikeouts.
The 3 top strikeout totals are:

223 - Mark Reynolds
222 - Adam Dunn
219 - Chris Davis


BTW, Mickey Mantle's highest strikeout total in a season was 126. The Babe's highest total was 93 & Gehrig's highest total was 84.

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lobo316 wrote: beejmi wrote: Yankees w/ 200+ Total Bases and 50+ walks before All-Star Break:


Aaron Judge

Mickey Mantle (1956)
Lou Gehrig (1936)


Here's a negative stat for Judge. He is striking out at an alarming rate. After 81 games, he has struckout 104 times. As the pitchers make adjustments & figure him out, he will end up with over 200 strikeouts.
The 3 top strikeout totals are:

223 - Mark Reynolds
222 - Adam Dunn
219 - Chris Davis


BTW, Mickey Mantle's highest strikeout total in a season was 126. The Babe's highest total was 93 & Gehrig's highest total was 84.

It's a different game now.  200 K seasons are going to start exploding.  Watching Judge's at-bats, you don't get the feeling that he's not making contact.  He's 3 and 2 on almost every count, fouls off pitches, leads the league in walks, and when he's not hitting home runs he can spray singles all over the field.  I hate high K guys but he just never gave me that impression.  Now last year was a different story when everything was either K or homer after his call-up.  But he's become a pretty complete hitter and the Ks are just par for the course in 2017. 

One of the major stories in all of baseball this year is about how MLB is worrying about length of games but have missed the real disaster that is developing: almost every plate appearance ends in a K, walk, or home run now.  I think I read about 40% of plate appearances features the ball not being put in play.  No defence, no baserunning, no building rallies, no excitement.  That's alarming and I don't know how that can be rectified with all these flame-throwing relievers that have taken over the game.



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