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Who is committed to losing though? Maybe the players that hate McAdoo, but he's supposedly getting fired tomorrow. Then what? They may actually play better. 

Tanking means to lose on purpose. I don't see that here, because the coach and GM won't be around to see the draft pick. I don't think Hue Jackson is trying to lose on purpose either. 

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The players and coaches don't 'tank' it is the front office that does.

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beejmi wrote: The players and coaches don't 'tank' it is the front office that does.
But if you're on the verge of being fired like Jerry Reese probably is, why would you tank? It doesn't benefit him.

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Papa Voo wrote: Which QB will they draft is the question? They are playing Geno to tank the season.They should draft a RB . The group they have now scares no one.



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I know there's not a of Giants fan on here (KK, HBF), but the issue here for me is not so much the benching, but they benched him for Geno Smith.

I could understand Davis Webb, if you want to see what you got for the future, but not for a guy who won't even be here next year. And, don't sell it as a bullshit excuse that Geno "gives us a better chance to win." Nothing is going to make this team win right now. We are legitimately looking at the #2 pick right now. That's something we haven't seen in a long time.

This is a coach with a grudge against a 2 time SB MVP with 50,000 career yards passing trying to scapegoat the wrong person. Eli is not what he used to be, but he's also not THE problem with this team. It starts with the culture, the front office, and trickles down into personnel. McAdoo is comical. He's try to play disciplinarian with the wrong people. He's like Goodell, handing out suspensions arbitrarily, no rhyme or reason.

People talk about Eli being lucky. You know who's really lucky? Jerry Reese. Thanks to Eli, this guy still has a job. He had 2 decent drafts in 11 years as GM. The Giants have one of the highest percentages of players they have drafted not being on the team. And they let their productive picks (Linval Joseph, Jonathan Hankins) leave. This guy thinks anyone can play OL judging by the carousel they've had there over the last 5 years.



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nyhack56 wrote: I know there's not a of Giants fan on here (KK, HBF), but the issue here for me is not so much the benching, but they benched him for Geno Smith.

I could understand Davis Webb, if you want to see what you got for the future, but not for a guy who won't even be here next year. And, don't sell it as a bullshit excuse that Geno "gives us a better chance to win." Nothing is going to make this team win right now. We are legitimately looking at the #2 pick right now. That's something we haven't seen in a long time.

This is a coach with a grudge against a 2 time SB MVP with 50,000 career yards passing trying to scapegoat the wrong person. Eli is not what he used to be, but he's also not THE problem with this team. It starts with the culture, the front office, and trickles down into personnel. McAdoo is comical. He's try to play disciplinarian with the wrong people. He's like Goodell, handing out suspensions arbitrarily, no rhyme or reason.

People talk about Eli being lucky. You know who's really lucky? Jerry Reese. Thanks to Eli, this guy still has a job. He had 2 decent drafts in 11 years as GM. The Giants have one of the highest percentages of players they have drafted not being on the team. And they let their productive picks (Linval Joseph, Jonathan Hankins) leave. This guy thinks anyone can play OL judging by the carousel they've had there over the last 5 years.
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Ultimark wrote: nyhack56 wrote: I know there's not a of Giants fan on here (KK, HBF), but the issue here for me is not so much the benching, but they benched him for Geno Smith.

I could understand Davis Webb, if you want to see what you got for the future, but not for a guy who won't even be here next year. And, don't sell it as a bullshit excuse that Geno "gives us a better chance to win." Nothing is going to make this team win right now. We are legitimately looking at the #2 pick right now. That's something we haven't seen in a long time.

This is a coach with a grudge against a 2 time SB MVP with 50,000 career yards passing trying to scapegoat the wrong person. Eli is not what he used to be, but he's also not THE problem with this team. It starts with the culture, the front office, and trickles down into personnel. McAdoo is comical. He's try to play disciplinarian with the wrong people. He's like Goodell, handing out suspensions arbitrarily, no rhyme or reason.

People talk about Eli being lucky. You know who's really lucky? Jerry Reese. Thanks to Eli, this guy still has a job. He had 2 decent drafts in 11 years as GM. The Giants have one of the highest percentages of players they have drafted not being on the team. And they let their productive picks (Linval Joseph, Jonathan Hankins) leave. This guy thinks anyone can play OL judging by the carousel they've had there over the last 5 years.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see Davis Webb start next week or the week after depending on whether a firing happens or not.
 
As 3rd string he would have had practically no real intereaction in the gameplan and really running the offense. Smith as bad as he is has some experience.
 
With Webb likely now at least running with the backups in proactice he's getting more reps, so he'll start before the end of the season.



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Angelic Assassin wrote: Ultimark wrote: nyhack56 wrote: I know there's not a of Giants fan on here (KK, HBF), but the issue here for me is not so much the benching, but they benched him for Geno Smith.

I could understand Davis Webb, if you want to see what you got for the future, but not for a guy who won't even be here next year. And, don't sell it as a bullshit excuse that Geno "gives us a better chance to win." Nothing is going to make this team win right now. We are legitimately looking at the #2 pick right now. That's something we haven't seen in a long time.

This is a coach with a grudge against a 2 time SB MVP with 50,000 career yards passing trying to scapegoat the wrong person. Eli is not what he used to be, but he's also not THE problem with this team. It starts with the culture, the front office, and trickles down into personnel. McAdoo is comical. He's try to play disciplinarian with the wrong people. He's like Goodell, handing out suspensions arbitrarily, no rhyme or reason.

People talk about Eli being lucky. You know who's really lucky? Jerry Reese. Thanks to Eli, this guy still has a job. He had 2 decent drafts in 11 years as GM. The Giants have one of the highest percentages of players they have drafted not being on the team. And they let their productive picks (Linval Joseph, Jonathan Hankins) leave. This guy thinks anyone can play OL judging by the carousel they've had there over the last 5 years.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see Davis Webb start next week or the week after depending on whether a firing happens or not.
 
As 3rd string he would have had practically no real intereaction in the gameplan and really running the offense. Smith as bad as he is has some experience.
 
With Webb likely now at least running with the backups in proactice he's getting more reps, so he'll start before the end of the season.

Here's the problem.  They haven't developed him at all.  He hardly got any playing time in the preseason.  Smith and Josh Johnson took all the snaps.  He should've been #2 all year, getting reps behind Eli in practice.  Now, you're going to take a guy that has been scout team all year, and throw him into actually games with a dilapidated roster.  He's going to get killed before he even gets started.
 



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McAdoo has been fired. The timing is odd, but I assume humiliating Eli with the unnecessary benching was the last straw.

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The cracks were there last year. They were covered up by the defense play out of their minds and having a soft schedule.

John Mara is not Wellington Mara. He's a little more hot headed. He's more prone to do this.



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nyhack56 wrote: The cracks were there last year. They were covered up by the defense play out of their minds and having a soft schedule.

John Mara is not Wellington Mara. He's a little more hot headed. He's more prone to do this.

The spin cycle continues all three created the plan for ELI, but Eli fucked them up saying no and then the backlash, the streak being broke for a Jets reject(who played decent yesterday and actually moved the ball) and then Mara threw both of them under the bus and pretends like he has nothing to do with the plan. McAdoo and Reese are taking the fall because Mara doesn't want the fans embrassing the Giants this week in his stadium so watch Eli be a starter and get his away again even though he has regressed tremendously and underachieved in his career and didn't deserve to start the rest of the season. 

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nyhack56 wrote: The cracks were there last year. They were covered up by the defense play out of their minds and having a soft schedule.

John Mara is not Wellington Mara. He's a little more hot headed. He's more prone to do this.
Maybe Kate Mara can step in and run the team.

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Jerry Reese canned, too.



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krazykid18 wrote: nyhack56 wrote: The cracks were there last year. They were covered up by the defense play out of their minds and having a soft schedule.

John Mara is not Wellington Mara. He's a little more hot headed. He's more prone to do this.

The spin cycle continues all three created the plan for ELI, but Eli fucked them up saying no and then the backlash, the streak being broke for a Jets reject(who played decent yesterday and actually moved the ball) and then Mara threw both of them under the bus and pretends like he has nothing to do with the plan. McAdoo and Reese are taking the fall because Mara doesn't want the fans embrassing the Giants this week in his stadium so watch Eli be a starter and get his away again even though he has regressed tremendously and underachieved in his career and didn't deserve to start the rest of the season. 

So wait, this is all Eli's fault?  That's the best spin yet.



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The O Line was a joke and that was Reese's fault. IMO - McAdoo is not head coaching material. However, it was also bad luck to lose your top 3 receivers in one game for the year.

I just think of how image conscious the are in NYC and he comes to his press conference in a suit too big. Then, they say he lost weight. I guarantee that a thousand tailors would have been more than happy to rush a suit that would have fit him. To me, that shows a sloppiness. If you are Bill Bellichek, you can get away with that. A new coach cannot.

Given that I am an Eagles fan, I really shouldn't even care.

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