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 Posted: Tue Apr 3rd, 2018 06:19 pm
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 Fewer people are watching baseball now, than at any point in the last ten years. That, according to a Marist poll which surveyed fan interest in the game.


  According to the poll, a mere 44 percent say they watch the game, while 56 percent said they do not. Those numbers represent the lowest viewership percentages for “America’s Pastime,” since 2009.



  As Paul Bedard writes in the Washington Examiner, it’s not just the American public that seems to have lost interest in the game.


    “So far, Trump hasn’t joined in the practice of presidents throwing out the first pitch on opening day, started by William Howard Taft in 1912. Only one president since then, Jimmy Carter, didn’t participate.”

While the declining numbers in raw viewership are bad enough for baseball, the problem gets worse when you consider that MLB has taken its biggest fan losses among younger viewers
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    According to the poll, “Older Americans (51 percent of those age 45 or older) are more likely than younger Americans (37 percent of those under the age of 45) to say they are baseball fans.”


    The problem this poses for baseball in particular, cannot be understated. Unlike more action-packed, less expensive sports like football and basketball, many children get involved in baseball because their fathers and older brothers played, or were fans of the game. If the younger generation isn’t watching, who is going to teach their kids about the game?


    In addition, the sport has also become more regional. According to Marist, a small majority of baseball fans live in the Northeast and Midwest. But only 39 percent of those in the South and West called themselves baseball fans.


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The game moves too slowly for the Smartphone crowd.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: The game moves too slowly for the Smartphone crowd.
Yes! The above, plus who wants to play late March baseball in a freezer like Detroit??  Can you imagine sitting in your seat in 40 degree weather for 3+ hours??
I thought they had some kind of rule that the home teams early on should be in domes, Florida, Texas, Georgia, Arizona or California?? If not, they should enact that rule.

Also, isn't it ironic that Tampa Bay at NY Yankees was postponed due to snow?  The Yankees couldn't have played that series in Tampa, in the dome? 

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I’ve lost interest in sports across the board and know many people who feel the same way. I don’t have hours of time to commit to something that doesn’t pay me.

We have taken our kids to baseball and football games in the past and they could care less; They would rather watch WWE, a movie or watch things on YouTube.



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Is there too much of it? I look at the table, and each team has 81 home games. And nine or ten of those are against the same four opponents they face every year.



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Baseball is the worst. The era of specialization has resulted in endless pitching changes which makes almost every game a 3hr + marathon now. The Phillies new genius is taking things even further. Could take 4 hrs to play a 9 inning game soon.

The ratings decline is not just the fault of an inattentive fan base. It is the fault of baseball as well.

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kargol wrote: Is there too much of it? I look at the table, and each team has 81 home games. And nine or ten of those are against the same four opponents they face every year.The table?  I can tell you are from the UK.  You are lucky.  Every EPL game will last just under 2 hours with a break in the middle.  I have actually starting to watch myself a bit.  If the NFL is not careful, the EPL may become more popular.  OK, in the states that won't happen but interest is definitely much higher than it was just 5 years ago. 

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Looking at attendence on Easter day there were about 5 games with under 15000. That surprises me since it was opening weekend for baseball.
Oakland is struggling. They are offering a free game for anyone in two weeks. We'll see how many show up



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There are certain teams that have given up before the season starts. Just look at the joke of a franchise is Miami. Why would anyone pay to watch them unless you want to travel to MIA to watch your team against them? There are some seriously cheap prices in stub hub. There are teams that simply are not putting a product on the field that people should pay to see.

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Baseball posts on this board has fallen over the years. The interest in baseball here at S&W is minimal. 

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Ultimark wrote: kargol wrote: Is there too much of it? I look at the table, and each team has 81 home games. And nine or ten of those are against the same four opponents they face every year.The table?  I can tell you are from the UK.  You are lucky.  Every EPL game will last just under 2 hours with a break in the middle.  I have actually starting to watch myself a bit.  If the NFL is not careful, the EPL may become more popular.  OK, in the states that won't happen but interest is definitely much higher than it was just 5 years ago.
I can take that a bit further.  My team play in the second tier.  So we get 46 matches against 23 other teams.  No repeat fixtures - home and away once each.

Next season there will be six new teams.  Three relegated from the Premier, three promoted from League One.  Replacing teams that are promoted up and relegated down.  (Indeed as I type we are one place and two points above the relegation zone...)

Plus there are two knockout Cup competitions, we will have at least one game in each.

So there is a constant flux.  Next season we are bound to play teams we have not played for a while; if we get relegated we will probably play a couple we have never played before, in 143 years of history.  So there is a decent enough incentive to keep going.  Especially given the almost habitual (for us) tight end to the season - since 2011 we have been relegated from the Prem, lost in the promotion play-offs, and twice avoided relegation on the last day of the season; once when we scored with almost literally the last touch of the season. 



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Ultimark wrote: ...Every EPL game will last just under 2 hours with a break in the middle.  I have actually starting to watch myself a bit.  If the NFL is not careful, the EPL may become more popular.  OK, in the states that won't happen but interest is definitely much higher than it was just 5 years ago.
I think a big reason that English Premier League (and other soccer/football leagues) are catching on in the US is because they are on when no other live sports events are televised in the US. On the weekends in the US, most sporting events do not start until around 12 noon - 1 pm Eastern time. English Premier League games typically come on at 7:00 am and 10:00 am. During the weekday, most English Premier League games come on at 3:00 pm Eastern time. Most US sporting events don't come on until 7 pm Eastern. Since there is nothing else on to watch, the die hard sports fan tunes in.

 

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The attendance issue in baseball is getting worse. Last night there were several games under 15,000. Some of that can be attributed to the weather in the NE and Midwest but in Miami they had 7000 and the temp was 85 degrees.

The games take way too long now. Endless pitching changes and nonsense. Even the new rules are not helping. The Phillies had a 3.5 hour game last night. Not even a full 9 innings since they didn't have to bat in the bottom half. 18,000 in attendance which isn't awful when you consider how cold it was.

While the NFL definitely has issues, I think the first to hit the ceiling will be baseball. Attendance wise, only those teams that win are going to see strong attendance unless you are the Cubs. The majority of revs are locally sourced. Teams that didn't make long term deals will now find that the market is contracting. In the era of cord cutting, there just isn't that type of $ to throw around anymore. That is why the experiments with FB and other streaming outlets are starting to happen. Baseball can see the writing on the wall and needs to find new sources of revenue.

I don't see it. The big stars will still get paid by one of the 10 teams that can afford to do so. The rest will try to build teams so that their young players all have great years around the same time before having to be broken up. The young people will not watch baseball. Not with the slow moving nature of the game and especially not with how long it takes now.

This offseason, a certain type of veteran had a hard time finding a deal. The union screamed collusion but that isn't it. The system is changing into a have and have nots. If you are not a superstar don't expect a 2000% increase in pay at contract time. The new reality is going to hit some of these guys very hard.

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I’m sure someone will tell me I’m wrong but I really feel like professional sports have peaked and their best days are behind them.



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Franchise wrote: I’m sure someone will tell me I’m wrong but I really feel like professional sports have peaked and their best days are behind them.I am getting that sense as well.  Not sure about the NBA yet.  They could be an exception or I may be biased considering the Sixers are finally good.   It is pretty clear for the other 3 though.  It doesn't mean that every city is the same story but nationally there really is no question anymore.  Baseball, football and hockey have problems.  The NFL is probably the furthest away of the 3 from actually feeling any pain because networks continue to pony up unreal $.  However, in baseball with the majority of $ being locally sourced, there are probably about a dozen franchises that could be in trouble over the next 10 years.  Same with hockey in the states.  

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