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 Posted: Thu May 31st, 2018 06:44 pm
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Just to be clear - I do think Kareem was a great player. Just not the G.O.A.T

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 Posted: Thu May 31st, 2018 09:45 pm
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Ultimark wrote: I now put LBJ ahead of Michael. It is just amazing to watch him get these stiffs into the finals all on his own basically. 8 straight years in the finals. The amount of games he has played is unreal and he doesn't get easy minutes. He is always the other teams focal point. Yet, he still manages to get unreal numbers.I think what tales a little away from his greatness is Lebron playing in the east. No way he takes those teams to 8 straight finals if they were in the west.



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Agree totally. However, no player in basketball could have taken this team to the finals. Any other player and the Cavs are out early. 51 last night with 8 assists and 8 boards. They should have won. Still think the Warriors sweep. Just way too deep of a team. Their 6-8 guys would be starting for the Cavs.

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Married Jo wrote: Ultimark wrote: Kareem was a great player but didn't have anywhere near the skills that LBJ has. It isn't close. LBJ can literally do everything. Kareem was a post player who lived off of an amazing hook shot that no one could block. He was also a skilled rebounder and solid defender. A top 10 guy to be certain. Nowhere near LBJ or Michael though.
Kareem not only scored, rebounded, defended, but he's also the best passing big-man in the history of basketball. He's #42 all time in assists as a CENTER...
He's also was in the top 5 in MVP voting in 15 of his 20 seasons...
G.O.A.T. 

Kareem never lead the league in assists like Wilt did. When it comes to centers it's Russell, Wilt, Kareem.



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Ultimark wrote: Agree totally. However, no player in basketball could have taken this team to the finals. Any other player and the Cavs are out early. 51 last night with 8 assists and 8 boards. They should have won. Still think the Warriors sweep. Just way too deep of a team. Their 6-8 guys would be starting for the Cavs.
After last night, he's leaving Cleveland for sure and no one should blame him. He was and had to be a one man show.



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Ultimark wrote: Married Jo wrote: Ultimark wrote: Kareem was a great player but didn't have anywhere near the skills that LBJ has. It isn't close. LBJ can literally do everything. Kareem was a post player who lived off of an amazing hook shot that no one could block. He was also a skilled rebounder and solid defender. A top 10 guy to be certain. Nowhere near LBJ or Michael though.
Kareem not only scored, rebounded, defended, but he's also the best passing big-man in the history of basketball. He's #42 all time in assists as a CENTER...
He's also was in the top 5 in MVP voting in 15 of his 20 seasons...
G.O.A.T. 
Lebron James as a forward/guard/center/whatever he wants to be is #11 for assists all time and his career is not yet 20 seasons long.  How many years do you think LBJ has been top 5 in MVP voting? 
Just cannot figure out your logic on this. 

LeBron has 4 MVP's , 2 runner-ups , 3 3rd place , 2 4th place , 1 5th place, 1 6th place and 1 9th place ( rookie season)



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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Married Jo wrote: Ultimark wrote: Kareem was a great player but didn't have anywhere near the skills that LBJ has. It isn't close. LBJ can literally do everything. Kareem was a post player who lived off of an amazing hook shot that no one could block. He was also a skilled rebounder and solid defender. A top 10 guy to be certain. Nowhere near LBJ or Michael though.
Kareem not only scored, rebounded, defended, but he's also the best passing big-man in the history of basketball. He's #42 all time in assists as a CENTER...
He's also was in the top 5 in MVP voting in 15 of his 20 seasons...
G.O.A.T. 

Kareem never lead the league in assists like Wilt did. When it comes to centers it's Russell, Wilt, Kareem.

OFTLOG stop with the Bill Russell talk, especially putting him over Kareem. When Russell played there were EIGHT...EIGHT total teams in the league..stop it..



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Married Jo wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Married Jo wrote: Ultimark wrote: Kareem was a great player but didn't have anywhere near the skills that LBJ has. It isn't close. LBJ can literally do everything. Kareem was a post player who lived off of an amazing hook shot that no one could block. He was also a skilled rebounder and solid defender. A top 10 guy to be certain. Nowhere near LBJ or Michael though.
Kareem not only scored, rebounded, defended, but he's also the best passing big-man in the history of basketball. He's #42 all time in assists as a CENTER...
He's also was in the top 5 in MVP voting in 15 of his 20 seasons...
G.O.A.T. 

Kareem never lead the league in assists like Wilt did. When it comes to centers it's Russell, Wilt, Kareem.

OFTLOG stop with the Bill Russell talk, especially putting him over Kareem. When Russell played there were EIGHT...EIGHT total teams in the league..stop it..
Agree.  Russell played with a great team and in a very small league.  I think Wilt is the hands down best center ever but his lack of rings (2) brings Jabbar into the argument. 

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LeBron James is basically Peyton Manning. Like Peyton he is a prodigy of his sport and has gone on to win multiple MVPs and has delivered a championship to two different teams, BUT he gets overshadowed by his contemporaries (For Peyton it was Tom Brady/New England Patriots, and for LeBron it has been the Golden State Warriors). They're both going to the Hall of Fame and will be remembered as two of the greatest of their respective sports, but will be still considered disappointments because they never lived up to the GOAT hype.

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Dr. Strangelove wrote: LeBron James is basically Peyton Manning. Like Peyton he is a prodigy of his sport and has gone up to win multiple MVPs and has delivered a championship to two different teams, BUT he gets overshadowed by his contemporaries (For Peyton it was Tom Brady/New England Patriots, and for LeBron it has been the Golden State Warriors). They're both going to the Hall of Fame and will be remembered as two of the greatest of their respective sports, but will be still considered disappointments because they never lived up to the GOAT hype.
That's a great way to put it. Never hit me before but you're right, he and Manning are perfect comparisons...



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No, they are not. Manning didn't bring 2 different teams to 8 straight finals.

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Ultimark wrote: No, they are not. Manning didn't bring 2 different teams to 8 straight finals.
Yeah, he just won 2 super bowls with 2 different organizations, only person to ever do that. 



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Who else outside of the Celtics from the late 50's to mid 60's (when there were far fewer teams) has done what LBJ has done? Name 1 individual who has even come close in the modern era.

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Jordan went to 6 straight (that he played in) and won all 6...



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Married Jo wrote: Jordan went to 6 straight (that he played in) and won all 6...
No he didn't it 

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