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 Posted: Sat Jul 7th, 2018 01:36 pm
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Nobody talks baseball any more. Not talking about here but in general. I turn on the national sports talk station and I hear NFL and basketball.

Hell, lets be honest. The day after the World Series, baseball gets talked about for 30 minutes on a 3-hour program. Back to the NFL everyone goes.

Declining ratings, declining attendance.

Was there a way to avoid this?


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 Posted: Sat Jul 7th, 2018 02:05 pm
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With baseball I wonder if they still have the infrastructure. Like, can a kid in NYC easily find a field or whatever and also are the stadiums now so far away in the suburbs that a normal kid won`t really give it a try (and don`t start with the cost of the concession items).
There is a reason why basketball (and soccer) is omnipresent, you don`t even need a regulation size area to play it as a kid



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 Posted: Sat Jul 7th, 2018 02:19 pm
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I blame millenials



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Games take too long.  In the internet age, it takes 3 + hours to watch a game.

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I wouldn't use talk shows as a barometer for the popularity of anything.

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It's old, most games take way too long and basically only whites play the game.



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Basketball is more newsworthy at this time.



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Needs a salary cap to start with. The idea of the “haves” and “have nots” is finally catching up to the league as a whole.

Last edited on Sun Jul 8th, 2018 12:11 pm by Papa Voo

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: It's old, most games take way too long and basically only whites play the game.
MLB  has many Latino players from Central and South America and more and more Japanese players are coming over. Where do you get only white play the game from.

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Games are indeed too long.

There's a thread about the NBA- how many teams actually have a chance?? In AL, lets just go with Bos, Hou, NY, in the NL it's more competitive.

A salary cap might help. It's sad being a Tigers fan and watching Verlander, Porcello, JDMartinez, Scherzer.....play for other teams.

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Papa Voo wrote: Needs a salary cap to start with. The idea of the “haves” and “have nots” is finally catching up to the league as a whole.

Dream on. The player's union will never allow it.

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Papa Voo wrote: Needs a salary cap to start with. The idea of the “haves” and “have nots” is finally catching up to the league as a whole.
There have never been more teams winning the WS in the history of baseball than in the 2000s.

Yankees
D'Backs
Angels
Marlins
Red Sox
White Sox
Cardinals
Red Sox
Phillies
Yankees
Giants
Cardinals
Giants
Red Sox
Giants
Royals
Cubs
Astros

13 teams in 17 years, including the Cubs who hadn't won in 100 years and small-market clubs like the Royals.  What more do you want?  Compare that to the NFL and especially the NBA champions since 2000.  That's clearly not the problem.  If you're the fan of an MLB team and you really feel like you can't compete for 5 straight years, or even 3, that's your shitty ownership's fault and nothing to do with salary caps or any MLB rules. Teams are going worst to first all the time now.

 

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Baseball lost a huge amount of fans when the 1994 strike cancelled the World Series. A huge amount that never came back, even including the fans that showed up for McGwire and Sosa's chemical romance they never got back to where they were.

Baseball used to be more affordable than any other major sport. It was a lot cheaper than football, basketball, and hockey when you compared ticket prices in cities that had multiple sports. Now I know that using the Yankees as an example doesn't really work well but my once basic second level seats on the 3B line right near the bag were about $40 face value in 2007 at the old stadium, whereas now they are $120 (and have dropped from their $125 peak two years ago). At $120 each, I can get comparable NY Jets tickets in the same general area and there are only 8 home games instead of 81. I believe NY Giants tickets are a bit more money, closer to $150 - and they are not available anywhere as easily as Jets tickets. But the point is, unless you want to bring your family to sit in the bleachers, you are paying a FORTUNE to go to a baseball game that you could instead spend going to a football game that includes a lot more excitement. Or better yet, you can bring a family of four to an MLS game and sit in similar seats and pay less than your cost of one seat for a Yankees game.

Cost and the fact that kids today don't get into baseball the way the kids from my generation did (possibly because their parents cannot afford to take them to the games) is really hurting the National Pastime.



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Affordability is a good point; i grew up with some die hard angels fans and they would go all of the time even walked up and bought tickets to a angels world series game and said it didn’t cost much.

The one guy still lives in SoCal and Hardly goes anymore because all of the games are on tv and it costs a fortune to go.



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Check out attendance from the past few years and then go compare it to the 1970s, 1980s, and even the 1990s. On a per game average, MLB attendance since the turn of the millennium blows all of those decades away for the most part with 1994 (#4) and 1993 (#3) being artificially inflated by the Rockies playing at Mile High Stadium in front of average crowds in the 55,000 to 56,000 range. Saying no one cares or goes to games isn't in line with reality.

The problem MLB has is that fans these days care mainly about their own teams and less about what is going on elsewhere. MLB doesn't market individual players well at all even though it has the advantage of guys not wearing helmets and masks and therefore being in a position to be highly recognizable. MLB also doesn't promote fantasy baseball strongly enough, especially daily play, as a means of getting fans into non local matchups and stars.

The glut of televised games also means a game on TV rarely means anything or catches anyone's attention. Back in the 1970s and 1980s, you had the NBC game on Saturday and Monday Night Baseball on ABC. A few teams had wall to wall TV coverage like the Braves, Cubs, Mets, and Yankees. However back then few teams aired home games and there were teams that were considered to be on TV a lot if 1/4 or 1/3 of the games made TV. The critical mass of the TV audience is missing now because you can see a game every day now and most teams have all games on TV.

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