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 Posted: Mon Jul 9th, 2018 04:04 pm
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tamalie wrote: Check out attendance from the past few years and then go compare it to the 1970s, 1980s, and even the 1990s. On a per game average, MLB attendance since the turn of the millennium blows all of those decades away for the most part with 1994 (#4) and 1993 (#3) being artificially inflated by the Rockies playing at Mile High Stadium in front of average crowds in the 55,000 to 56,000 range. Saying no one cares or goes to games isn't in line with reality.

The problem MLB has is that fans these days care mainly about their own teams and less about what is going on elsewhere. MLB doesn't market individual players well at all even though it has the advantage of guys not wearing helmets and masks and therefore being in a position to be highly recognizable. MLB also doesn't promote fantasy baseball strongly enough, especially daily play, as a means of getting fans into non local matchups and stars.

The glut of televised games also means a game on TV rarely means anything or catches anyone's attention. Back in the 1970s and 1980s, you had the NBC game on Saturday and Monday Night Baseball on ABC. A few teams had wall to wall TV coverage like the Braves, Cubs, Mets, and Yankees. However back then few teams aired home games and there were teams that were considered to be on TV a lot if 1/4 or 1/3 of the games made TV. The critical mass of the TV audience is missing now because you can see a game every day now and most teams have all games on TV.

This is an excellent point that you bring out.  I am guilty of just being a homer for the most part.   For me, I can watch any Tigers game on my local Fox Sports Detroit, but on the Roku, I also have the free MLB app. and can watch highlights of out of town games, kinda like ESPN sportscenter.

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Mysterious wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: It's old, most games take way too long and basically only whites play the game.
MLB  has many Latino players from Central and South America and more and more Japanese players are coming over. Where do you get only white play the game from.

Where are all the coloreds at?



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tamalie wrote: Check out attendance from the past few years and then go compare it to the 1970s, 1980s, and even the 1990s. On a per game average, MLB attendance since the turn of the millennium blows all of those decades away for the most part with 1994 (#4) and 1993 (#3) being artificially inflated by the Rockies playing at Mile High Stadium in front of average crowds in the 55,000 to 56,000 range. Saying no one cares or goes to games isn't in line with reality.
You cannot compare the decades with a broad stroke.  There was no way close to the amount of disposable income available in the 1970s as there is in the 2000s.  And while there are certain teams that increase slightly or steadily over this time, there are teams like the Yankees that built a brand new stadium and saw their attendance drop off 10% immediately and then drop another 20% between 2010 and 2014.  The Yankees had drawn over 4,000,000 fans each season from 2004-2007 and have never even come close to that number since. 

But the point you are REALLY missing?  In the '70s-'90s the attendance figures were counted using tickets collected at the gates...in other words, tickets used and asses in the seats.  Now, attendance figures only count tickets SOLD.   I was at a Yankees game last year where the announced attendance was 38,000 and literally half of those were dressed as empty seats.  In virtually every MLB town, there are hundreds if not thousands of corporate purchased/allocated seats that do not get used on a nightly basis.  But they count towards "attendance". 



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You still get money from sold, but unused tickets although obviously you want fans in those seats. Even with no shows, the amount of actual fans in the stands generally is higher now than in the past. The tickets sold vs. tickets used comparison is imperfect, but in 1977 no teams surpassed 3,000,000 in attendance (the Dodgers came close) and only 5 of 28 had more than 2,000,000 while 4 teams were under 1,000,000 (the A's drew just 495,599 for the whole season). In 2017 7 of 30 teams drew above 3,000,000 with two more narrowly missing that mark, with 23 of 30 going above 2,000,000. Attendance was down compared to 2016 with the big decreases coming to the disappointing Mets, Pirates, and Royals.

I don't think attendance is the biggest issue although it is an issue. The bigger issues are promoting the game as a TV event by ramping up other rivalries apart from Yankees-Red Sox and using other tactics to make games matter more and improving fan identification and support of stars; such as how the Sacramento Kings or Brooklyn Nets might be awful but fans will still turn up for LeBron or Westbrook or the Warriors, MLB needs fans of the Minnesota Twins or the Cincinnati Reds to come out to see Trout or Harper or Martinez or whomever is big. MLB was getting somewhere on this front with McGwire, Sosa, and Bonds, but, regardless of the PED scandals with these guys, never followed it up to any great extent with later stars.

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I do not know the majority of players throughout the league.

I am disgusted with MLB when it comes to my home team of the Pirates. I quit wat hung and attending this season, because the team ownership sucks as does MLB continuing to focus on only a few big-market teams. Rivalries have died down because of this, also. They have to figure out something to make teams have consistent opportunities to compete with the big-market franchises. Not only a salary cap but also minimum amount so owners do not try and sock money away.

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I’m probably the biggest baseball fan on this board.  There are lots of good comments here.  In many ways, baseball is as popular as ever.  They are making money hand over fist.  Used to go to 30-40 games per season in-person when I had season tickets.  As I’ve gotten older, I find I enjoy watching the MLB package and MLB Network at home.  Don’t have to deal with rowdy crowds or traffic. Marketing wise, I can order any hat or jersey I want, watch any game I want, and it’s all at the click of a mouse.  I don’t necessarily think anything is wrong with the game, and in many ways it is less regionalized than ever before.  There’s a ton of parity, as Rossi pointed out.  Maybe the only problem I see right now is the intentional tank seasons by certain teams to rebuild in the spirit of the Cubs and Astros.  Not sure those are going to be guaranteed successes.



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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Mysterious wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: It's old, most games take way too long and basically only whites play the game.
MLB  has many Latino players from Central and South America and more and more Japanese players are coming over. Where do you get only white play the game from.

Where are all the coloreds at?

Shooting 3's or rushing for 100 yards in a college game on Saturday afternoon  and then raping a waitress and snorting come off her ass on Saturday night.



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Superstar wrote: tamalie wrote: Check out attendance from the past few years and then go compare it to the 1970s, 1980s, and even the 1990s. On a per game average, MLB attendance since the turn of the millennium blows all of those decades away for the most part with 1994 (#4) and 1993 (#3) being artificially inflated by the Rockies playing at Mile High Stadium in front of average crowds in the 55,000 to 56,000 range. Saying no one cares or goes to games isn't in line with reality.


But the point you are REALLY missing?  In the '70s-'90s the attendance figures were counted using tickets collected at the gates...in other words, tickets used and asses in the seats.  Now, attendance figures only count tickets SOLD.   I was at a Yankees game last year where the announced attendance was 38,000 and literally half of those were dressed as empty seats.  In virtually every MLB town, there are hundreds if not thousands of corporate purchased/allocated seats that do not get used on a nightly basis.  But they count towards "attendance". 

The American League always counted tickets sold. The NL switched to that method from turnstile count in 1992.

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Angelic Assassin wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Mysterious wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: It's old, most games take way too long and basically only whites play the game.
MLB  has many Latino players from Central and South America and more and more Japanese players are coming over. Where do you get only white play the game from.

Where are all the coloreds at?

Shooting 3's or rushing for 100 yards in a college game on Saturday afternoon  and then raping a waitress and snorting come off her ass on Saturday night.

Snorting come? Sounds fucking gross 



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Has it occurred to anyone that it's really expensive to go to a game and I know you can argue the same for hockey, football and basketball but neither of those sports have 81 home games and are played 5 or 6 days a week. Baseball also has only a handful of playoff spots and most teams are out of it come July so the interest fades quickly.

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Mysterious wrote: Has it occurred to anyone that it's really expensive to go to a game and I know you can argue the same for hockey, football and basketball but neither of those sports have 81 home games and are played 5 or 6 days a week. Baseball also has only a handful of playoff spots and most teams are out of it come July so the interest fades quickly.
This is not entirely true though with the new wild card...generally 2/3 of the teams still have a shot going into the stretch run.



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Blazer wrote: Mysterious wrote: Has it occurred to anyone that it's really expensive to go to a game and I know you can argue the same for hockey, football and basketball but neither of those sports have 81 home games and are played 5 or 6 days a week. Baseball also has only a handful of playoff spots and most teams are out of it come July so the interest fades quickly.
This is not entirely true though with the new wild card...generally 2/3 of the teams still have a shot going into the stretch run.

Yeah, and I hate that.  if you're 5 games under .500 in mid-August, no way should you be able to be #1 for a Wild Card spot if you just have a good week.  And yet that's where we're at.  That 2nd Wild Card is the spot for all the sub-.500 teams to shoot for just to make them feel good about sucking.  It's like the participation trophy.  What is the point of living and dying with your team for 162 games if someone else can get hot for a week and win one WC game and then they're in the same spot as your team?  And the fans in those cities mostly don't care and STILL don't go to the games.



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Franchise wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Mysterious wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: It's old, most games take way too long and basically only whites play the game.
MLB  has many Latino players from Central and South America and more and more Japanese players are coming over. Where do you get only white play the game from.

Where are all the coloreds at?

Shooting 3's or rushing for 100 yards in a college game on Saturday afternoon  and then raping a waitress and snorting come off her ass on Saturday night.

Snorting come? Sounds fucking gross 



Franchise is awesome. Laughed out loud legit.

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Franchise wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Mysterious wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: It's old, most games take way too long and basically only whites play the game.
MLB  has many Latino players from Central and South America and more and more Japanese players are coming over. Where do you get only white play the game from.

Where are all the coloreds at?

Shooting 3's or rushing for 100 yards in a college game on Saturday afternoon  and then raping a waitress and snorting come off her ass on Saturday night.

Snorting come? Sounds fucking gross 



Lol. That should say "coke" but who the hell knows. Besides I was snorting a line of coke off the tits of a hooker myself while trying to reply. I'm



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Baseball is the toughest of the for major sports to make it to the big time in with incredibly small payoffs along the way.
You could be in the minors until you are 27 or 28 before getting a break and your window for earning the big dough is incredibly small.
Though there are fewer jobs in the NBA there are more places for basketball players to go and get big money.

So there are fewer really big names in baseball anymore so fan interest has just disappeared. The number of games has something to do with it to a point as does the fact that of the four major sports it is the only one played in the summer when families are typically on vacation.
Also as was mentioned I believe, baseball does a shitty job of marketing itself.



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