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 Posted: Thu Jul 26th, 2018 02:21 pm
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No one posted anything about this deal, but I think it's a significant move by the Yanks. What a great bullpen the Yanks have. Will the Red Sox make a counter move ?Here are the details od the trade.



The Baltimore Orioles continued what’s expected to be an expansive firesale on Sunday, trading veteran closer Zach Britton to the Yankees for a package of pitching prospects headlined by former top-5 pick Dillon Tate.


Britton, who will be a free agent after this season, has proven to be among baseball’s most dominant relievers when healthy. Since taking over as Baltimore’s closer in 2014, Britton has posted an incredible 1.72 ERA while collecting 139 saves and 257 strikeouts over 261 innings.
The deal was confirmed by both teams Tuesday night, with the Yankees receiving Britton and the Orioles receiving Tate, right-hander Cody Carroll and left-hander Josh Rogers.
Zach Britton, welcome to the Bronx. pic.twitter.com/3vAdcJUxeh
— New York Yankees (@Yankees) July 25, 2018
Welcome Dillon Tate, @JoshRogers13, and @CarrollCodyRHP to #Birdland!pic.twitter.com/XV550UCzzj
— Baltimore Orioles (@Orioles) July 25, 2018

The two-time All-Star Britton was a workhorse between 2014 and 2016, appearing in 71, 64 and 69 games respectively. In 2016, he posted a microscopic 0.54 ERA, which earned him a fourth-place finish in the AL Cy Young award balloting and a few MVP votes as well.
Britton battled several injury issues last season, which limited him to just 38 games. His bad luck continued in the season when he suffered an Achilles tear while working out. The injury prevented Baltimore from considering trading Britton over the winter. Britton has been slowly starting round back into form since his return on June 12, holding a 0.00 ERA with six strikeouts over seven innings during the month of July.


Britton is set to join what was an already stacked Yankees bullpen. New York’s bullpen is currently built around the quintet of Aroldis Chapman, Dellin Betances, David Robertson, Chad Green and Jonathan Holder. All five of those players have already pitched at least 40 innings and the highest ERA among them is Robertson’s 3.05 mark. As a whole, the Yankees bullpen leads MLB in ERA at 2.75 and strikeout rate at 31.5 percent.

Chapman is already the closer for the Yankees and since both he and Britton are left-handers, it’s difficult to see how Britton could get save opportunities barring a Chapman injury or fatigue issues. But that’s not much concern for the Yankees, who can now probably brag about the game being basically over if they have a lead after four innings.




While Tate had a strong draft pedigree, it appears the Yankees managed to acquire Britton without parting with any of their top prospects.


Tate, ranked as the Yankees No. 9 prospect by MLB Pipeline, is the biggest name in the group headed to Baltimore. The right-handed pitcher was scratched from his start for the Yankees Double-A affiliate in Trenton on Sunday. Picked fourth overall by the Rangers in the 2015 MLB draft, Tate landed with the Yankees as the club’s return in the Carlos Beltran deal in 2016. In 107.2 innings for Trenton between 2017 and 2018, Tate holds a 3.34 ERA and 92 strikeouts.


Also headed south are Carroll and Rogers. The hard-throwing Carroll was ranked as the Yankees’ No. 15 prospect by MLB Pipeline, while Rogers is not in the team’s latest top 30. Per Joel Sherman of the New York Post, the Yankees might have faced a 40-man roster crunch had all three prospects stayed, which would have meant leaving some players exposed to the Rule 5 draft. Now with Britton on board, that is no longer a concern.

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I'm not in the negotiations obviously, so I don't know if Cashman was just completely striking out with starting pitchers, but this deal doesn't make much sense to me otherwise.  That's our need, not the bullpen.  To take a strength and make it much stronger is fine, but not at the expense of possibly using those prospects to land a quality starter.  But maybe that wasn't going anywhere and he knew he wouldn't get any.

Anyway, the game has changed so much and very few starters are expected to go more than 5 innings.  The Rays have given up and just pitch 3 out 5 games completely out of their pen, and they're a little over .500 doing so.  It's just become a game where you're never supposed to let a batter see the same pitcher twice, and everyone just comes in throwing 100 and striking you out or giving up a homer.

The Yankees on some days will now "start" a guy like Cessa, but he'll pitch 3-4 innings, then you can go to Green or Warren until the 5th or 6th, and then the back-end is just unhittable with Holder, Betances, Robertson, Britton, and Chapman, and you have enough of them that you don't have to use the same guys every day so a couple are usually rested. 

When Severino starts they can have a normal game, and Sabathia has been effective but the good 5 innings he's giving them can be cut to maybe 4 now.  Tanaka just pitched an almost unheard of shutout a couple of days ago and if they can get him back on track they'll just let him go for 5 or 6.  Gray is a mess and that's essentially just trotting him out there to see if he has anything and if he does letting him pitch 3 or 4 until the first sign of trouble. 

The above is the state of the game in 2018, even for a championship-caliber team.  I'm old enough to remember purists bitching about Tony LaRussa mixing and matching in the 7th.  I don't know if anyone ever thought we'd get to the point where entire games would be played that way. 

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The Yanks got their starter after all. JA Happ for a song. Not that Happ is that great, but it’s a good deal.



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srossi wrote: I'm not in the negotiations obviously, so I don't know if Cashman was just completely striking out with starting pitchers, but this deal doesn't make much sense to me otherwise.  That's our need, not the bullpen.  To take a strength and make it much stronger is fine, but not at the expense of possibly using those prospects to land a quality starter.  But maybe that wasn't going anywhere and he knew he wouldn't get any.

Anyway, the game has changed so much and very few starters are expected to go more than 5 innings.  The Rays have given up and just pitch 3 out 5 games completely out of their pen, and they're a little over .500 doing so.  It's just become a game where you're never supposed to let a batter see the same pitcher twice, and everyone just comes in throwing 100 and striking you out or giving up a homer.

The Yankees on some days will now "start" a guy like Cessa, but he'll pitch 3-4 innings, then you can go to Green or Warren until the 5th or 6th, and then the back-end is just unhittable with Holder, Betances, Robertson, Britton, and Chapman, and you have enough of them that you don't have to use the same guys every day so a couple are usually rested. 

When Severino starts they can have a normal game, and Sabathia has been effective but the good 5 innings he's giving them can be cut to maybe 4 now.  Tanaka just pitched an almost unheard of shutout a couple of days ago and if they can get him back on track they'll just let him go for 5 or 6.  Gray is a mess and that's essentially just trotting him out there to see if he has anything and if he does letting him pitch 3 or 4 until the first sign of trouble. 

The above is the state of the game in 2018, even for a championship-caliber team.  I'm old enough to remember purists bitching about Tony LaRussa mixing and matching in the 7th.  I don't know if anyone ever thought we'd get to the point where entire games would be played that way. 
The strategy makes sense though and I expect a lot more teams to start using it. I don't have any actual numbers to back it up but most of the games that I have watched (no matter which teams are playing) seem to remain scoreless until about the 4th or 5th inning (basically the 2nd time through the batting order). Instead of sticking with a 4-5 man starting rotation, I am surprised that teams don't have their starters only throw about 3 innings (pitch through the batting order once and then substitute the pitcher with a different starter who will come in as a reliever). Instead of having starters go 6 innings, split the 6 innings between 2 pitchers (each pitching 3 innings) so the batters never get a second look at the pitcher.  I think the days of the starter - setup man - closer rotation will be coming to an end.

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And now they got Lance Lynn. Between Lynn, Happ, Sabathia, Tanaka, and Severino to go along with whatever else was at the bottom of the Yanks rotation (Domingo German, etc) and a bullpen of Britton/Robertson/Betances/Chapman - not to mention a possible return of Tommy Kahnle and Adam Warren to help out, this team has a legit shot. They don't want to burn out Severino and both Sabathia and Tanaka have legit injury problems, so I think this will work out great. I would go out of the bullpen based on matchups, but if you threw Robertson, then Betances, then Britton, then Chapman you would have four distinctly different deliveries and results on the mound. Betances and Chapman throw insane heat, while Britton and Robertson have specialty pitches that dominate opponents. I think this stretch drive with the Yanks and Red Sox is going to be a lot of fun, and I'm looking forward to watching it play out.



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Superstar wrote: not to mention a possible return of Tommy Kahnle and Adam Warren to help out, this team has a legit shot.
They gave Warren away yesterday for "future considerations".  I know their bullpen was stacked but this makes no sense to me.  He was a valuable longman and they could've used him or gotten more for him IMO.

Also, I know Lynn was solid with the Cards, but he's had a disastrous first season in the A.L. with the Twins and giving up on Tyler Austin and this minor league pitcher Rijo for a starter with an ERA over 5.00 seems like way too much.  I don't like that trade.  Assuming Bird can ever stay healthy and starts producing, I know there's no room for Austin on the team, but I think it was too early to give him away and you really don't know if Bird can ever stay on the field for 3 months in a row because he hasn't done it yet, so Austin was a back-up prospect.  And if that wasn't enough, they had to toss in Rijo too?

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srossi wrote:
They gave Warren away yesterday for "future considerations".  I know their bullpen was stacked but this makes no sense to me.  He was a valuable longman and they could've used him or gotten more for him IMO.

Also, I know Lynn was solid with the Cards, but he's had a disastrous first season in the A.L. with the Twins and giving up on Tyler Austin and this minor league pitcher Rijo for a starter with an ERA over 5.00 seems like way too much.  I don't like that trade.  Assuming Bird can ever stay healthy and starts producing, I know there's no room for Austin on the team, but I think it was too early to give him away and you really don't know if Bird can ever stay on the field for 3 months in a row because he hasn't done it yet, so Austin was a back-up prospect.  And if that wasn't enough, they had to toss in Rijo too?

Had no idea they gave away Warren, guessing it was due to 40 man roster issues, but in my opinion Warren is as good or better than Lance Lynn.  And this wouldn't be the first time the Yankees gave away a young pitcher named Rijo.  But I don't think Tyler Austin would ever sniff the starting lineup on this team, simply because if Bird doesn't work they will replace him with a piece that is much bigger.



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