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PHILADELPHIA — Caught at a crossroads between a full-blown rebuild and a legitimate playoff push, the Philadelphia Flyers fired general manager Ron Hextall on Monday, the latest front-office leader to fail to win the franchise's first Stanley Cup in 44 years.
The Flyers might not be done cleaning house.
Coach Dave Hakstol has now lost his biggest backer and his job clearly is in danger. The Flyers have a 10-11-2 record and have lost five of six. They are fresh off a 6-0 loss to Toronto in which an organization once stamped as "Broad Street Bullies" played without a penalty.
"I feel a responsibility for what happened today," Hakstol said. "Nobody feels good about that in our room."
Hextall, a popular Flyers goalie in the 1980s and '90s, was dismissed after 4 1/2 seasons on the job in which he tried to revive a depleted farm system and patiently build a championship contender.
Flyers President Paul Holmgren thanked Hextall for his "many significant contributions, but it has become clear that we no longer share the same philosophical approach concerning the direction of the team."
He added that an immediate change was in the team's best interests and he hopes to have a new GM "as soon as possible."
The Flyers play Tuesday against Ottawa at home where a once-rabid fanbase has stayed away from Wells Fargo Center in droves, and the ones that come serenade another listless loss chanting "Fire Hakstol!"
Holmgren and Comcast Spectacor Chairman and CEO Dave Scott said they will not comment until a Tuesday news conference.
The new GM will make the call on the fate of the coaching staff. Former Chicago Blackhawks Stanley Cup champion coach Joel Quenneville is available after he was fired this season. Former Los Angeles Kings GM Dean Lombardi, who won two Cups, also is on the market.
Hakstol ran practice Monday.
"I'm not looking over my shoulder," he said. "I never have. I never do. I focus on the job at hand and going forward. Those are decisions that aren't up to me."
Hextall played 13 seasons in the NHL and had two stints covering 11 years with the Flyers. He also spent seven seasons as assistant GM with the Los Angeles Kings.
His ouster could be tied in to his steadfast support of Hakstol, the coach he hired with no NHL experience out of North Dakota in 2015. The move stunned the NHL and Hextall seemingly staked his career on Hakstol handling the grind of coaching in pressure-packed Philadelphia.
The Flyers haven't won a championship since the Stanley Cups of 1974 and 1975. They have reached the Finals and lost six times over that span.
Hextall had wanted to ease off the franchise's win-now mode that had been a hallmark since the 1970s under late owner Ed Snider. Hextall inherited a salary cap mess from Holmgren, his predecessor, and inherited a talented nucleus of stars that included Claude Giroux, Wayne Simmonds and Jake Voracek.
But taking a page from their Wells Fargo Center neighbours, the 76ers, Hextall wanted his own process. That meant patience and building through the draft and restocking a farm system in disarray.
Sean Couturier, Shayne Gostisbehere, Travis Konecny, Ivan Provorov and Nolan Patrick, the No. 2 pick of the 2017 draft, are among the youngsters the Flyers counted on Hakstol developing. The Flyers now have roughly $7 million in salary cap space.
Philadelphia did make the playoffs twice under Hextall but that seemed more of a quirk than a true step toward contention. The Flyers won 10 straight games in 2016-17 and missed the playoffs; they lost 10 straight last season and made them. The Flyers went 42-26-14 last season.
"I think the players feel responsible here," said Giroux, the last holdover from the 2010 Eastern Conference champions. "I do believe we have a good team in here. We're just not getting it done."
The poor play of late comes in large part to a goalie carousel that has yet to stop on a true No. 1. The Flyers have Carter Hart pegged as a future star in the minors but tried a stopgap approach this season to give Hart more seasoning. That decision — like the one to remain loyal to the Giroux-Simmons-Voracek core — has flopped and Hextall paid the price.
"I don't think a lot of guys saw it coming," Giroux said.
Holmgren brought back Hextall from Los Angeles in 2013 for a year as an assistant general manager. Hextall's failure as GM complicates his legacy as one of the franchise's more popular players. In 1986, he won the Vezina Trophy and helped the Flyers get within one win of the Stanley Cup before losing to Wayne Gretzky and the Edmonton Oilers on the road in Game 7 in 1987. Hextall was the Conn Smythe Trophy winner as MVP of the playoffs that year.
Hextall became the first NHL goalie to score a goal by shooting the puck into the opponent's empty net. He also became the first goalie to score a goal in the playoffs. Hextall was known for his fiery temper as a player. His attacked Montreal's Chris Chelios during the 1989 playoffs, sparking a brawl.

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Team has been rebuilding since 1978

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beejmi wrote: Team has been rebuilding since 1978

Haven't had any goaltending since then either.



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They have supposedly the hottest prospect ever at Lehigh Valley (Carter Hart) I would bring him up and play him and let him get used to the big leagues.

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He had to go. Hex had 4.5 years and the team is going backwards. The coach has to go next.

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beejmi wrote: They have supposedly the hottest prospect ever at Lehigh Valley (Carter Hart) I would bring him up and play him and let him get used to the big leagues.

They've had a few goaltenders of the future.
I would say they might be leaving him in the minors so his development doesn't suffer playing for a bad team, though in no way should they be a bad team.
Elliot always gets hurt and only ever has short stretched of decent play. Not sure what exactly is wrong with Neuvirth(something between the ears) but he sucks anyways.
Pickard-sucksStolarz- one of those G of the future who really isn't.
Sandstrom- another supposed G of the future who isn't.
Lyon- is what I would be doing if I said he was any good.
Most of the above(back up bags of shit) are UFA.
I think Carter Hart plays after the trade deadline and opens next season as the starter with a veteran backup on a one year deal, none of the above.
Stolarz-/Lyon will be the Phantoms pairing next season I believe.



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Ultimark wrote: He had to go. Hex had 4.5 years and the team is going backwards. The coach has to go next.They axed a couple more people today. Some front office fag and an assistant coach I think.
Hakstol should curb his Xmas spending this year I think.



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In like it AA.
You could be the next GM as far as I'm concerned.

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beejmi wrote: In like it AA.
You could be the next GM as far as I'm concerned.

I doubt if be any good at it because I'm not a fan of exorbitant salaries for sports stars.Love sports but to me the athletes aren't really filling a necessary service.
Philadelphia has done stuff in fits and starts for decades now.There doesn't seem to be a concrete plan and Snider I guess it was wanted a winner every year.
Look at my Winnipeg Jets as an example. Many people here still excoriated him on a daily basis over his "process".
Look at the Jets 2.0 drafting record. The Jets never once tanked( you reading this you Edmonton and Buffalo pieces of shit) and look at the talent they've amassed.
Oh but Chevy doesn't make enough trades. On the other hand Chevy doesn't trade or sign players like he's playing fantasy hockey., Like many GM's do, including Hextall.
The Oilers are going to waste years of McDavid's career being mediocre.
Detroit sucked for a long time and then made the playoffs every year for a couple decades. For the last few seasons though they have been giving out ridiculous contracts(check out cap friendly).
Philadelphia needs a GM with zero ties to the team in terms of a former player type as well as a coach who won't be afraid of the players like I'm willing to bet Hakstol is..Maybe Quenneville but I don't know how many times you can keep shifting the deck chairs around on the Titanic.



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As far as goalies go the Flyers are paying Bryzgalov till one year before the end of time in his buyout so they might be able to bring him back. 😱



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Wayne Simmonds will be gone by the trade deadline if not before.
Voracek needs to be moved while there is some value.
Other UFA's like Lehtera and Folin will just fade away.
A defenseman will be moved maybe as part of a package.The can't really get anything for McDonald so it might be Guess but I think in the right deal they move Sanheim.
JVR was given too much term and of course too much money.
Need to look at it some more but I think that Giroux needs to be a full time center if he isn't doing that already.
Holmgren needs to hire GM though that he won't float a win now mentality on or else bad trades and bad signings will ensue.Guaran damn teed.



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Angelic Assassin wrote:
Wayne Simmonds will be gone by the trade deadline if not before.
Voracek needs to be moved while there is some value.
Other UFA's like Lehtera and Folin will just fade away.
A defenseman will be moved maybe as part of a package.The can't really get anything for McDonald so it might be Guess but I think in the right deal they move Sanheim.
JVR was given too much term and of course too much money.
Need to look at it some more but I think that Giroux needs to be a full time center if he isn't doing that already.
Holmgren needs to hire GM though that he won't float a win now mentality on or else bad trades and bad signings will ensue.Guaran damn teed.

Simmons will be gone. He has a lot of wear and tear on his body, but he is a heart & soul type of player and will be missed.

Voracek is a lazy bum. Fun fact of the day, 18 pts in 24 games, but 10 pts came in 2 games.

JVR can't skate and is a PP player only. Wasted signing.

Giroux is better off at wing as it will be him fresher as he gets older. They need to put Couturier on the 2nd line and make a trade to get a true 1st line center. Ryan O' Reilly would work for me.

Need to get away from hiring ex-flyers for everything. The incest needs to stop. New GM needs to make some moves and he needs to bring in Quenneville.

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Quenneville isn't the answer for a rebuilding team, which was part of the reason he was let go in Chicago. He has little to no patience with young players and once you're in his doghouse you don't get out.

Case in point: Michal Kempny who couldn't play for Q is now putting up top 4 mins for the Caps, and was a major addition during their Cup run. Q ran off a good D man on a team desperate for them now.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote:
Wayne Simmonds will be gone by the trade deadline if not before.
Voracek needs to be moved while there is some value.
Other UFA's like Lehtera and Folin will just fade away.
A defenseman will be moved maybe as part of a package.The can't really get anything for McDonald so it might be Guess but I think in the right deal they move Sanheim.
JVR was given too much term and of course too much money.
Need to look at it some more but I think that Giroux needs to be a full time center if he isn't doing that already.
Holmgren needs to hire GM though that he won't float a win now mentality on or else bad trades and bad signings will ensue.Guaran damn teed.

Simmons will be gone. He has a lot of wear and tear on his body, but he is a heart & soul type of player and will be missed.

Voracek is a lazy bum. Fun fact of the day, 18 pts in 24 games, but 10 pts came in 2 games.

JVR can't skate and is a PP player only. Wasted signing.

Giroux is better off at wing as it will be him fresher as he gets older. They need to put Couturier on the 2nd line and make a trade to get a true 1st line center. Ryan O' Reilly would work for me.

Need to get away from hiring ex-flyers for everything. The incest needs to stop. New GM needs to make some moves and he needs to bring in Quenneville.
Agree with everything except Quenneville.  I might also add that Holmgren should be fired.  He was a hideous GM who somehow received a promotion as a result of his shitty work.  

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Ultimark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote:
Wayne Simmonds will be gone by the trade deadline if not before.
Voracek needs to be moved while there is some value.
Other UFA's like Lehtera and Folin will just fade away.
A defenseman will be moved maybe as part of a package.The can't really get anything for McDonald so it might be Guess but I think in the right deal they move Sanheim.
JVR was given too much term and of course too much money.
Need to look at it some more but I think that Giroux needs to be a full time center if he isn't doing that already.
Holmgren needs to hire GM though that he won't float a win now mentality on or else bad trades and bad signings will ensue.Guaran damn teed.

Simmons will be gone. He has a lot of wear and tear on his body, but he is a heart & soul type of player and will be missed.

Voracek is a lazy bum. Fun fact of the day, 18 pts in 24 games, but 10 pts came in 2 games.

JVR can't skate and is a PP player only. Wasted signing.

Giroux is better off at wing as it will be him fresher as he gets older. They need to put Couturier on the 2nd line and make a trade to get a true 1st line center. Ryan O' Reilly would work for me.

Need to get away from hiring ex-flyers for everything. The incest needs to stop. New GM needs to make some moves and he needs to bring in Quenneville.
Agree with everything except Quenneville.  I might also add that Holmgren should be fired.  He was a hideous GM who somehow received a promotion as a result of his shitty work.  

They should probably do worse than just fire Holmgren. Unless you mean fire him into space aimed at Mars.
Quenneville may not be the right choice, I didn't look around to see who else might be available but the Flyers need a hard ass coach who will stress fundamentals first and not some new wave guru who just recently saw his mother naked.
They need structure and a system and they could probably murder and hide the bodies of their entire scouting staff as well.



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