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This sounds stupid to me.  

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/20/us/tampa-bay-rays-montreal/index.html

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Will never..........EVER (as Jericho would say) happen.

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There is not an owner in any sport that is smarter than Stuart Sternberg. If he could ever get a stadium that could generate some money, that team would be unstoppable. He knows how to run that team as both a business and as a team. Him saying he wants to explore this is his way of saying "Stop fucking up, citizens of Tampa, and vote me a new stadium".



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So you'll have two fan bases who don't give a shit about the home team instead of one.



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srossi wrote: So you'll have two fan bases who don't give a shit about the home team instead of one.

Bang! 



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There is literally no chance that this will actually happen. The real deal is that the Rays are in a bad stadium situation, want a new one, the efforts to get one in the Tampa Bay area are stuck in the mud, and the team decided with MLB consent to get things unstuck by creating an ultimatum of sorts for its home community and its political leaders. The Tampa Bay Area can either build a new stadium to keep the team, potentially lose half the games, or potentially lose the team entirely. There has been an effort in Montreal to get a new team since the Expos left. By offering Montreal a chance, it spurs things there and puts pressure on the Tampa Bay area. The Rays only said the team is exploring the option, with too many media members who should know better taking the statement as a move is happening while failing to read between the lines and see that this is a stadium ploy in the same way the supposed contraction of the Twins and Expos around 2001-02 was sham that was really a stadium ploy.

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Idiotic. Why would anyone attend a Rays game in the early part of the year? The players and many of the employees would have to have 2 places to live? Also, no disrespect to Montreal (a city I like) but Charlotte and Nashville would probably be better markets.

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I do think the Rays should move from Tampa. Even with a new ballpark, I am not convinced they will show up.

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Did Montreal move last time due to bad attendance, antiquated stadium or both? What has changed?



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Papa Voo wrote: Did Montreal move last time due to bad attendance, antiquated stadium or both? What has changed?
Both.  Ownership and money problems.They basically became what the Marlins are now.They'd draft and develop up and coming stars but simply couldnt keep them.
Montreal is a hockey town first and foremost.I'd love nothing better than to see a team back in Montreal and there is a push on to get a team back there.
For my money there shouldn't be two teams in Florida.
After basketball to me baseball is the major sport with the least parity.It's mid season and the playoff teams are pretty much decided.There are some gawd awful teams and if MLB truly gave a shit about teams north of the border the Expos would still exist and a shit show like the Florida Marlins wouldnt exist.At least Tampa Bay fields a decent team.  But nobody goes.



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The strike probably ended baseball in Montreal. Not that everything would’ve been rosy for them into the 2000s any way you slice it, but ‘94 was their year and when the fans saw that team dismantled before they could even win once, they never cared again.



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tamalie wrote: There is literally no chance that this will actually happen. The real deal is that the Rays are in a bad stadium situation, want a new one, the efforts to get one in the Tampa Bay area are stuck in the mud, and the team decided with MLB consent to get things unstuck by creating an ultimatum of sorts for its home community and its political leaders. The Tampa Bay Area can either build a new stadium to keep the team, potentially lose half the games, or potentially lose the team entirely. There has been an effort in Montreal to get a new team since the Expos left. By offering Montreal a chance, it spurs things there and puts pressure on the Tampa Bay area. The Rays only said the team is exploring the option, with too many media members who should know better taking the statement as a move is happening while failing to read between the lines and see that this is a stadium ploy in the same way the supposed contraction of the Twins and Expos around 2001-02 was sham that was really a stadium ploy.
The deal the Rays willingly signed with St Petersburg means they're legally obliged to play all their home games in that ballpark. They can't do a damn thing til 2027, unless they offer the city enough money (which they won't). 
I've got no idea why so few people go to Rays games, as they have a decent team (and had one last year, too). I hope they outdraw the Marlins, though, because I've had more people in bed with me at times than the Marlins have had at games. 

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I think this will actually eventually happen and become a trend of sorts

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beejmi wrote: I think this will actually eventually happen and become a trend of sorts
I don't see it.  On the one hand, for baseball anyway, going from 81 home games to 40 would probably be a good thing because one game is fairly meaningless over the course of a season and way too expensive these days.  It's impossible to justify spending $200 for a family of 4 to see a Royals-White Sox game in June just for the hell of it.  20 years ago, and certainly when I was a kid 35 years ago, you could just make a last minute decision to go to the ballpark on a nice summer evening just for the experience, but even at Yankee Stadium you could still pick up bleacher seats for a few bucks.  Now, it's such a huge time and monetary commitment and hassle.  So scarcity is important and reducing the number of home games to make each one feel at least slightly more special would be helpful.  Shit games still won't draw though.

However, you run into all kids of brand dilution issues, losing loyalty, fans feeling the team isn't "theirs", and just leading to less interest in the product than ever before.  There's also the logistical nightmares.  Splitting home games vs. good teams and bad teams equally so that both cities get an equal chance at the same gates and both fanbases get to see the same quality of games.  Which city hosts the Wild Card Game, and how do they split longer playoff series?  The players themselves will have no fixed home and do more traveling than ever before, so I imagine the union would step in.  It would be a mess leading to neither city being happy with the profits and none of the fans caring about the teams.     

  

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