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 Posted: Mon Jul 29th, 2019 03:20 pm
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Ultimark wrote: Franchise wrote: Ok so for the most part if they get cut they aren't surprisingly going to get paid zero. They either know it’s a possibility or they have something coming.


I still side with the owners.

The real issue is that the CBA negotiated for football players sucks when compared to the NBA or MLB.  Gene Upshaw was the worst thing to ever happen to the NFLPA.  He was enthralled with the owners cocktail parties and basically became an arm of management.  The next negotiations are going to be much different.   

You think the players are going to be able to save up for the fight because QB's are getting paid like crazy now compare to other positions, so that will be an issue on the unified front to be honest.

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krazykid18 wrote: Ultimark wrote: Franchise wrote: Ok so for the most part if they get cut they aren't surprisingly going to get paid zero. They either know it’s a possibility or they have something coming.


I still side with the owners.

The real issue is that the CBA negotiated for football players sucks when compared to the NBA or MLB.  Gene Upshaw was the worst thing to ever happen to the NFLPA.  He was enthralled with the owners cocktail parties and basically became an arm of management.  The next negotiations are going to be much different.   

You think the players are going to be able to save up for the fight because QB's are getting paid like crazy now compare to other positions, so that will be an issue on the unified front to be honest.
It isn't just that although that could be an issue.  I think it comes down to these issues:

1.  A 5 year mandatory rookie contract for #1 draft picks.  Other picks are subject to 4 years.  In essence they are punishing success.  

2.  The tags.  To be able to tag a player is absurd but to be able to do so more than once is a complete joke.   If I were the owner of the Cowboys, I would let Zeke play out his full contract and tag him twice.  Then he would be done in all likelihood.  

3.  The length of camp.   It is too long.  There is no reason for 4 pre season games. 3 at most. 

4.  No to the 18 game schedule.  That is a ridiculous idea. 

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No Zeke means a less effective Dak

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beejmi wrote: No Zeke means a less effective DakI didn't think it was possible for Dak to be less effective



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Well, they brought back Alfred Morris (again) as a possible fill-in for Zeke (again). Not sure how much he has left since he was pedestrian in San Fran last year, but he was an admirable fill in his first go-around as a Cowboys during Zeke's suspension.

And I think people need to ease up on Dak. Sure having Zeke is a big part of his success, but he is not THAT bad without him. He still showed a lot of poise and leadership and is better than half of the starting QB's in the league. He is a lot like Donovan McNabb, who had accuracy issues as well (and got shitted on a lot by his own fanbase) but can make big plays when needed.

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The Cowboys really do need Zeke but he has little leverage in reality. If he does not report by August 6th, then he will have to wait an additional year for free agency. So, that is the key date. If it doesn't happen, then he is very serious. The calculation that his camp would be making is that the Cowboys would struggle in the beginning of the year and Jerra would get emotional, cave in and give him his $.

However, they were burned by Dez and may be going with the odds on this.

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Well, Stephen is a lot less sentimental (and more cold-hearted, even) than his daddy....and with what happened to Dez they might just wait it out.

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Right, but in the end, Jerra runs the team still.  It is more pressing that they get deals done with Dak and Cooper.  Plus, they have some D guys that will be due.   A bad spot for Zeke.  All the metrics say that RB's, on average begin to decline after 5 years.  The CBA has screwed Zeke.  If the hold was 3 years and even an option to be a restricted FA existed at that point, he would have done OK.  

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Dr. Strangelove wrote: Well, they brought back Alfred Morris (again) as a possible fill-in for Zeke (again). Not sure how much he has left since he was pedestrian in San Fran last year, but he was an admirable fill in his first go-around as a Cowboys during Zeke's suspension.

And I think people need to ease up on Dak. Sure having Zeke is a big part of his success, but he is not THAT bad without him. He still showed a lot of poise and leadership and is better than half of the starting QB's in the league. He is a lot like Donovan McNabb, who had accuracy issues as well (and got shitted on a lot by his own fanbase) but can make big plays when needed.

Please stop he is nothing like McNabb, McNabb was a great qb unlike Dak if McNabb had what Dak has had his whole career he would probably have a chip but as a Giants fan McNabb was a great qb with all his flaws.
Dak getting 30 mil is insane lmao but get that money if they think you are worth it

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What receivers did Dak had his three years? A hobbled Dez? Beasley who is a good slot receiver but nowhere being a No.1? An aging and slow Jason Witten? And he just got Amari last season and they already hooked up a lot of big plays.

And if you look at the numbers (comparing full seasons), Dak's stats is very comparable to McNabbs earlier seasons.

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krazykid18 wrote: Dr. Strangelove wrote: Well, they brought back Alfred Morris (again) as a possible fill-in for Zeke (again). Not sure how much he has left since he was pedestrian in San Fran last year, but he was an admirable fill in his first go-around as a Cowboys during Zeke's suspension.

And I think people need to ease up on Dak. Sure having Zeke is a big part of his success, but he is not THAT bad without him. He still showed a lot of poise and leadership and is better than half of the starting QB's in the league. He is a lot like Donovan McNabb, who had accuracy issues as well (and got shitted on a lot by his own fanbase) but can make big plays when needed.

Please stop he is nothing like McNabb, McNabb was a great qb unlike Dak if McNabb had what Dak has had his whole career he would probably have a chip but as a Giants fan McNabb was a great qb with all his flaws.
Dak getting 30 mil is insane lmao but get that money if they think you are worth it
As a life long Eagles fan, I will say that McNabb was a very good QB for about an 8 year stretch.  In that time span, he was probably "great" for 2 to 3 years.  His accuracy was always an issue.  Not downing him but I think great is a stretch.  59% completion rate in his era was not great.  In the 70's it would have been. 

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Having said that, I don't think we have enough data on Dak yet to know if he will be great or not. I can tell he has talent. I don't know if he can win big games in the post season. We will see.

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Ultimark wrote: Right, but in the end, Jerra runs the team still.  It is more pressing that they get deals done with Dak and Cooper.  Plus, they have some D guys that will be due.   A bad spot for Zeke.  All the metrics say that RB's, on average begin to decline after 5 years.  The CBA has screwed Zeke.  If the hold was 3 years and even an option to be a restricted FA existed at that point, he would have done OK.  
Great points 

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I lived in Delaware for 12 years and pretty much had a chance to watch McNabb play most of his career. I would say for the most part he was a "very good" (and underappreciated) quarterback for the Eagles.

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Dr. Strangelove wrote: What receivers did Dak had his three years? A hobbled Dez? Beasley who is a good slot receiver but nowhere being a No.1? An aging and slow Jason Witten? And he just got Amari last season and they already hooked up a lot of big plays.

And if you look at the numbers (comparing full seasons), Dak's stats is very comparable to McNabbs earlier seasons.
How do you compare stats from this era to when McNabb first five years you could still jam the receiver for ten yards and you can destroy a WR coming across the middle...
Since the rule change notice the explosion of WR's and QB's numbers now 

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