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 Posted: Sat Sep 14th, 2019 11:08 pm
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25 years ago takes us 1994

I'll say 'boxing' is almost a sure-shot 'biggest decline' but there are others

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Going back even further (1960s) people have no clue how big horse racing was once upon a time

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Gotta be baseball. The playoffs and World Series used to be a big deal, even when they wouldn't play at night. Now it's almost faded into obscurity.



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What do you mean by declined? Quality of the product? Popularity?



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Popularity moreso. Baseball deserves mention definitely.

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BuddyPSHayes wrote: Gotta be baseball. The playoffs and World Series used to be a big deal, even when they wouldn't play at night. Now it's almost faded into obscurity.

Part of the blame is intra league play.  The WS used to be special because both teams never faced each other during the season. If you were an AL fan, you finally got to see Mays & the Giants, Koufax & the Dodgers, Clemente & the Pirates, etc.

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All of them. Everything has a fractured fanbase now, and over the last 25 years that covers almost 2 full generations who have the Internet and sports didn't have to compete with that in 1994. Boxing has probably suffered the most (also do to the invention of MMA), but baseball and basketball are way down and football is in real trouble for a multitude of reasons. You also have more soccer fans in America than ever before due to immigration and the fact that so many youth leagues have developed, so that eats into all the other sports too.



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Fantasy football has turned everyone into a football fan, at the expense of pretty much every other sport. Quality wise, football has gotten worse, and the other three major sports in North America (baseball, basketball, hockey) have improved quality wise.



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cdewar19 wrote: Fantasy football has turned everyone into a football fan, at the expense of pretty much every other sport. Quality wise, football has gotten worse, and the other three major sports in North America (baseball, basketball, hockey) have improved quality wise.
I disagree with the two of the three sports (basketball,baseball) having improved in quality...
Analytics have taken over to the point that everybody copies the same style in every sport, it gets boring
Baseball you use to have teams that would run all over the bases on you like Cardinals of the 80's who would use the turf, then you would have the slugging teams, then teams with contact and smart timely hitting and good base running different styles.
Basketball is even worst while still a great game to watch it has become boring and mind numbingly stupid watching teams play the way they are playing in this decade due to over use of analytics watching the rockets sacrifice a 3 on 1 fastbreak to shoot a 3 against the warriors was the final straw for me 

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beejmi wrote: Popularity moreso. Baseball deserves mention definitely.
A number of things have turned me (and I suspect a number of other fans) off about baseball:

1) Data overload: Launch angles, bat velocity, blah...blah...blah. The announcers on TV constantly gush over these stats more than the actual score of the game. Personally, I think it is all just a big commercial for Amazon Web Services that provides all of the data

2) Hitting into "the shift": This is all too common now. The defense all moves to the right side of the field since a computer has analyzed the data and determined that a hitter pulls the ball to the right side of the field 95% of the time. Does the hitter even try to hit the ball to the left side of the field? Nope, instead he smashes it into "the shift" and makes an out. Batters even refuse to drop down a bunt since it violates some unwritten rule of baseball.

3) Female announcers: ESPN's Sunday Night Baseball announce team sucks! Listening to Jessica Mendoza call the action while adding her "personal knowledge" from her softball playing days ruins it for me. I can't listen to NY Yankee radio broadcasts either due to the female announcer's voice/demeanor.

4) I still haven't gotten over the performance-enhancing drug scandal. This is another reason why I can't stand ESPN's broadcast team. Seeing Alex Rodriguez smiling at the camera after all of the lies he told and all of the people that he slandered/ruined while trying to cover up his steroid use just ruins the game for me. I think that MLB should be ashamed of the message that sends to kids - "Cheat to get ahead, screw everybody else"

5) Youth participation dropping off due to other sports (soccer, lacrosse) gaining popularity: I have regularly coached youth sports over the past 20 years and the number of kids playing youth baseball has dropped steadily over the past 10 years. Where our 9-10 league used to have approximately 120 kids playing each season, we now have about half as many now. The other age group leagues have similar declines. In comparison, soccer enrollment has probably increased 3-4x over the past 10 years. The only sport that has had a steeper decline in participation has been football (I assume due to concussion concerns).

6) Youth participation dropping off due to cost: It used to be that kids could join the local youth baseball league at no cost and that the costs of the league would be covered by local business sponsorships, concession stand sales, and 50/50 raffles. Nowadays, the cost for baseball leagues is much higher due to escalating liability insurance costs, permit fees, etc. In my area, the registration fee for a child is close to $200 per season. Additionally, kids have to provide their own equipment - including bats (which can easily cost $100 for a decent, not great, model). At the lower levels, there are a lot of fielders just standing around since the batters are still learning to hit and the pitchers are still learning to pitch. As a result, games are often walkfests/K-fests with very little action for the fielders. That is a lot of money to plunk out to just have your kid stand around for 2 hours.

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Big Garea Fan wrote:

6) Youth participation dropping off due to cost: It used to be that kids could join the local youth baseball league at no cost and that the costs of the league would be covered by local business sponsorships, concession stand sales, and 50/50 raffles. Nowadays, the cost for baseball leagues is much higher due to escalating liability insurance costs, permit fees, etc. In my area, the registration fee for a child is close to $200 per season. Additionally, kids have to provide their own equipment - including bats (which can easily cost $100 for a decent, not great, model). At the lower levels, there are a lot of fielders just standing around since the batters are still learning to hit and the pitchers are still learning to pitch. As a result, games are often walkfests/K-fests with very little action for the fielders. That is a lot of money to plunk out to just have your kid stand around for 2 hours.
This is huge. My kids are well beyond that being they're both married women now. However, my wife's grandsons are a perfect example. Both of her grandsons live in Texas. The older one is 11 and he's on a fast tracked football team. To suit this kid up for one season costs the kids parents close to a grand (which my wife happily pays into). Football is a religion in Texas and this kid shows a lot of promise so no way are his parents backing down. Her younger grandson is 7 and his father played college baseball and his mother played college softball. Put him on the diamond right? Sure, as soon as eyveryone can pony up the $400 beans it cost to play. I played varsity baseball and varsity basketball in high school and it didn't cost my parents a thing. Little League and Babe Ruth league cost my folks about $20 for the year and CYO basketball was even less at $15. It's really a disgrace what Obama has done to Little League sports.

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Baseball is God awful.
Strikeouts and home runs and that's it. 
The shift is something akin to the trap in hockey but that alone isn't killing baseball.
Unlikeable players in almost every sport. I don't have any fucks to give for most if not all athletes these days. 
And interest in youth baseball is also down in large part because of the length of time it might take a player to get to the show should they continue through youth baseball and the levels that follow.
In hockey you can be playing in the NHL at 18, a year or so older for basketball and say 21 to make the NFL. 
In baseball you might literally be 27 or older by the time you play your first big league game.
IMO way too much concern with the length of games. In every sport. If and it's a big if the game is entertaining who cares how long it lasts. DUCKING MILLENIALS.
Way too much bastardizing of the rules in sports. Hockey games decided with skills competitions.Football games where if you fart in the general direction of a receiver it's pass interference.Basketball is 3 point shooting and more travelling than Magellan ever did. Oh and snorting coke off bookers tits in the locker room at half time. Or something like thanTennis is Federer or Nadal every tournament. Boring.
I can still watch EPL football. That hasn't changed much. Go Liverpool.
As far as the NFL goes a team like the Miami Dolphins should be told to go sit in the fucking corner. Just give them L's the rest of the way and have them pick last in the first round of the next draft. That team is disgraceful and teams that deliberately fucking bad in any sport should be punished.



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I would go with the answer of all of them, also, and not being sarcastic.

Some more than others.

Boxing, as stated, really went to the bottom of the shit pile.

NBA has been going downward for years. Going through the motions most nights.

MLB hit the skids for several reasons as mentioned above and lack of a salary cap AND a spending floor.

NFL continues to be watered down. Overkill on replay. Trying legislate hits and contact.



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Indycar was hotter than chili in 1993. Had the reigning F1 world champion taking part, and after Senna died in 1994 F1 had no stars left - although Schumacher was just emerging.

Then Tony George declared he was worried about the Indy 500 becoming less of a thing and split the race away from the championship to start his own. So by 1996 the Indy 500 was between has-beens and never-weres like Buddy Lazier and Steve Knapp.

Everything took an instant nosedive and has never recovered.



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