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srossi wrote: KGB wrote: srossi wrote: I'm not sure why it's so hard for sportscasters to shut the fuck up about politics and cover sports. I say the same thing about Bob Costas and assholes on the left. This wasn't the forum for Don Cherry to spout his nonsense, and from what I understand the poppy issue he was upset about is fake news and something that isn't even happening. But Cheery has a LONG history of saying stupid shit going back 2 decades, so this was bound to happen in this day and age. I haven't heard anyone who's upset about this move from a hockey perspective and not a political one. The consensus seems to be that he hasn't been good in forever.
You're wrong about this not being a forum for Cherry to say things like this.  For 30+ years, Coach's Corner has been a platform for Cherry to talk about both hockey and current events, often on questions fed to him by Ron McLean.  In particular he has used his platform to support the Canadian armed forces.  I wouldn't want to guess how many times he's ended Coach's Corner with a choked-up tribute to a fallen soldier. 


He wasn't fired for paying tribute to the military.  This is clearly not the same thing.  Forums like Coach's Corner are for softball questions and light topics.  I never heard Ralph Kiner on Kiner's Korner say, "You know, the Nazis made some good points..." and he might have been able to get away with it back then too!

 
Whether you think the forum is for softball questions or not, the fact is that Coach's Corner never limited itself in that way.  Seriously, how many times have you ever watched it?   Your opinion is irrelevant since the CBC brass went along with it for over 3 decades, because it put assess in seats.  I didn't say he was fired for paying tribute to the military, but this whole thing boiled down to Don resenting the lack of support shown to Canadian armed forces (by the wearing of a poppy on Veterans/Remembrance Day).  In other words, his firing was precipitated by a discussion about paying tribute to the military.  You're really splitting hairs here. 



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KGB wrote: srossi wrote: KGB wrote: srossi wrote: I'm not sure why it's so hard for sportscasters to shut the fuck up about politics and cover sports. I say the same thing about Bob Costas and assholes on the left. This wasn't the forum for Don Cherry to spout his nonsense, and from what I understand the poppy issue he was upset about is fake news and something that isn't even happening. But Cheery has a LONG history of saying stupid shit going back 2 decades, so this was bound to happen in this day and age. I haven't heard anyone who's upset about this move from a hockey perspective and not a political one. The consensus seems to be that he hasn't been good in forever.
You're wrong about this not being a forum for Cherry to say things like this.  For 30+ years, Coach's Corner has been a platform for Cherry to talk about both hockey and current events, often on questions fed to him by Ron McLean.  In particular he has used his platform to support the Canadian armed forces.  I wouldn't want to guess how many times he's ended Coach's Corner with a choked-up tribute to a fallen soldier. 


He wasn't fired for paying tribute to the military.  This is clearly not the same thing.  Forums like Coach's Corner are for softball questions and light topics.  I never heard Ralph Kiner on Kiner's Korner say, "You know, the Nazis made some good points..." and he might have been able to get away with it back then too!

 
Whether you think the forum is for softball questions or not, the fact is that Coach's Corner never limited itself in that way.  Seriously, how many times have you ever watched it?   Your opinion is irrelevant since the CBC brass went along with it for over 3 decades, because it put assess in seats.  I didn't say he was fired for paying tribute to the military, but this whole thing boiled down to Don resenting the lack of support shown to Canadian armed forces (by the wearing of a poppy on Veterans/Remembrance Day).  In other words, his firing was precipitated by a discussion about paying tribute to the military.  You're really splitting hairs here. 
And if you really listened to his message, he wasn't just singling out immigrants not wearing the poppy, he was pretty pissed that so many native Canadians weren't wearing it as well.  And the next day when they asked him to apologize and he refused, he doubled down and that statement was more verbally like what he was trying to get across in a one minute deal the night before.  85 years old with a guy talking in his ear telling him to wrap it up, it's not a surprise he may have spit out words that didn't quite match the thoughts.



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it wasn't just the "You people" that was the problem. it was "you people come here" he was taking aim at immigrants. (Trump has done the same) the poppy wearing thing is not a immigrant problem. when don cherry is walking down the street he has no idea when he see's people without poppies where they are from. I would say it's more of a young person problem. but anyways Cherry for years has said dumb stuff that will be described as "politically incorrect", or "just telling it like it is" by his defenders. his defenders keep saying it shows how patriotic he is and ignoring the bigoted part of it.

for years bigots have said "you people come here and take our jobs". "you people come here and complain how we do things here. if you don't like it go back to where you came from" "you people come here and don't learn proper English". its the same routine.

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Spatulapup wrote: it wasn't just the "You people" that was the problem. it was "you people come here" he was taking aim at immigrants. (Trump has done the same) the poppy wearing thing is not a immigrant problem. when don cherry is walking down the street he has no idea when he see's people without poppies where they are from. I would say it's more of a young person problem. but anyways Cherry for years has said dumb stuff that will be described as "politically incorrect", or "just telling it like it is" by his defenders. his defenders keep saying it shows how patriotic he is and ignoring the bigoted part of it.

for years bigots have said "you people come here and take our jobs". "you people come here and complain how we do things here. if you don't like it go back to where you came from" "you people come here and don't learn proper English". its the same routine.

Thanks for this.  I actually understand your point and it makes sense.  Also, I would agree with you when you say that you feel it's a young person problem.



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We've had Don for some charity events and I've met him probably about 15 or so times over the years. Great with people if there's a camera around. Once the camera is gone - completely different story. Douche-chill worthy. We had to stop inviting him (and paying his appearance fee).

I will say his love for the service men and women is genuine, and I think Rogers REALLY wanted out of that contract and was looking for the first thing they could, and this is it. I believe he made substantially more than MacLean for less than a tenth of the work.

Not really gonna shed any tears for him. He's been the old man yelling at the cloud since at least 1996 and gets to go out a martyr with a few million in the bank and really, at that age what more could you want?



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broke wrote: We've had Don for some charity events and I've met him probably about 15 or so times over the years. Great with people if there's a camera around. Once the camera is gone - completely different story. Douche-chill worthy. We had to stop inviting him (and paying his appearance fee).

I will say his love for the service men and women is genuine, and I think Rogers REALLY wanted out of that contract and was looking for the first thing they could, and this is it. I believe he made substantially more than MacLean for less than a tenth of the work.

Not really gonna shed any tears for him. He's been the old man yelling at the cloud since at least 1996 and gets to go out a martyr with a few million in the bank and really, at that age what more could you want?
Good points all. Would be interested to have seen him in action "when the camera was off".



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khawk wrote: broke wrote: We've had Don for some charity events and I've met him probably about 15 or so times over the years. Great with people if there's a camera around. Once the camera is gone - completely different story. Douche-chill worthy. We had to stop inviting him (and paying his appearance fee).

I will say his love for the service men and women is genuine, and I think Rogers REALLY wanted out of that contract and was looking for the first thing they could, and this is it. I believe he made substantially more than MacLean for less than a tenth of the work.

Not really gonna shed any tears for him. He's been the old man yelling at the cloud since at least 1996 and gets to go out a martyr with a few million in the bank and really, at that age what more could you want?
Good points all. Would be interested to have seen him in action "when the camera was off".

Probably something like
"Fucking Ruskies "
"Fucking Softass Swedes, Norwegians and Finns.."
"I love Tie Domi" 
" I'd have sex wtih Chris Nilan if I was 30 years younger " 

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Bobby Orr finally has something to say.


When he coached the Boston Bruins, Don Cherry always said he didn’t worry because he had Bobby Orr on his bench.
And now, just like back in the 1970s, over the boards and on the ice comes No. 4.
“He got fired on Remembrance Day. That is just wrong,” said Orr of Cherry’s dismissal from Hockey Night in Canada by Rogers Sportsnet.
“This whole thing is unbelievable. Don Cherry is a good man and to do this to him is disgusting.”
With many of Cherry’s friends abandoning him, Orr diving into this brawl couldn’t have come at a more critical time.


The Hockey Hall of Famer tells the Toronto Sun that “enough is enough” of smearing and picking on his old coach.
“To throw him under the bus like this is wrong,” said the former Boston Bruins great.
“And for his partner to do it as well. Shame on him.”
Like Cherry, Orr is disappointed Coach’s Corner co-host Ron MacLean buckled to corporate pressures to issue an apology that included saying, “Don made comments that were hurtful and prejudiced.”
This came after MacLean offered a thumbs-up on air and said “That’s why we love you.”
Orr is of the view that Cherry’s awkward wording was taken out of context and turned against him to destroy him. 
“I know what he was saying. We all know what he was saying. He was saying we should buy a poppy. All of us,” said the pride of Parry Sound, now a player representative.
“Don loves our great game. Next to his family the most important people in his life are the military, the police, firefighters and paramedics. He is no bigot. After 38 years on television, if you haven’t figured out Don Cherry, there’s nothing I can do.”
In fact, the legendary defenceman said he is the opposite of a bigot.
“You have no idea the stuff he does for people that nobody knows about,” said Orr. “Don is one most generous people I know.”
On his Coach’s Corner comment about “you people” who “come here” to enjoy our way of life and “milk and honey,” Orr said not once did he think it was meant to be racist.
“I know him better than anybody else, Joe,” said Orr over the phone from Boston.
“Yes, he’s my friend. But I have known him a long time and I know he is not a bigot or a racist.
“He is the most honest and generous guy there is.”
And perhaps the most patriotic about Canada.
“Who has done more?” asked Orr.
“He’s very good to the veterans, the police, the firefighters, minor hockey players and fans. They all know what he meant and I know what he meant.”
While there is definitely a movement relishing Cherry’s downfall, there are far more hockey fans who understand this is an unnecessary career and legacy assassination attempt.


Orr doesn’t think it’s going to work.
“Don Cherry is going to be just fine,” he said.
Many fans are pushing to have him reinstated in time for Saturday night, and there have been discussions behind the scenes by some of the players involved to try to find a way.
But Orr doubts it will happen.
“I can’t see Don wanting any part of that,” he said.
He also feels the character assassination against Grapes is repugnant.
“I am worried about Don as a man. His health and well being. That’s why I have been calling so much. I don’t want anything more to happen to him.”
And neither do most hockey people.
“I have never had more calls on anything. Down here in the United States it’s all impeaching the president and up there it’s all impeaching Don Cherry,” said Orr. “The hockey players love Don. And they respect him.”
So does the Coach’s Corner audience, said Orr.
“There is all of this talk about who is going to replace Don Cherry?” said Orr.
“You don’t replace Don Cherry. There is only one Don Cherry.”
The fact the establishment turned on him for encouraging people to wear poppies is “discouraging and disappointing.”
All of it, said Orr, was unnecessary.
“And it is definitely unfair.”

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carpetbeggar wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: Superstar wrote: srossi wrote: I'm not sure why it's so hard for sportscasters to shut the fuck up about politics and cover sports. I say the same thing about Bob Costas and assholes on the left. This wasn't the forum for Don Cherry to spout his nonsense, and from what I understand the poppy issue he was upset about is fake news and something that isn't even happening. But Cheery has a LONG history of saying stupid shit going back 2 decades, so this was bound to happen in this day and age. I haven't heard anyone who's upset about this move from a hockey perspective and not a political one. The consensus seems to be that he hasn't been good in forever.Dude, do you even read what you write sometimes?  You bring up everything that the police do wrong on a Sports message board.  Yes I know it's different and yes I know that we have a General Discussion forum, but you really shouldn't shit on a guy who has a one minute segment to say whatever he wants and then stand by it...it was his opinion, he got fired for it, and he told the network to fuck off when they demanded an apology.   You and I have gone back and forth about the cops, in a lot of cases I agree with you and in a lot I don't agree with you, but you never back down because you are passionate about the cause.  Don Cherry is passionate about the military, and on Rememberance Day, he made a plea to the people to support them.  I can say to you, or to anybody, that if you were offended by his totally benign statement then you really have issues.  In a day and age when everybody is offended about everything, this one seems totally ridiculous.
And oh by the way, I totally agree with one thing that you said - Don Cherry has said a TON of stupid shit over the years.  He could've been fired a dozen times.  But in my opinion, to fire him now, it's just a way to kick him out the door.
Duuuude, usually you and I think right along the same lines, however, I agree with Rossi 100% here. Cherry has a national stage with millions of viewers. His opinions about anything other than hockey should be kept to himself. Rossi and me and you say our opinions on a message board that has maybe 25 active members. Plus we've all 'known' each other for over ten years.


I don't think Rossi was offended by the comment, I think what he's implying is it wasn't the stage for it. On that I agree completely. Everyone and their mother has a podcast now. Let him start one and let his lead story be how Hitler was misunderstood and a segment that touches on "Mohammed Atta: Bad Guy or Bad Pilot".

Exactly.  Although you are wrong about one thing.  I was highly offended that Don Cherry actually thinks that Canada has a military.  Quite offensive to real militaries. 

The Canadian Military goes in and cleans up after you people ( you like that) shit the bed and make a total mess of things.


That

Pretty sure the Canadian military is Our Lady Peace with kitchen knives



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lobo316 wrote: Bobby Orr finally has something to say.


When he coached the Boston Bruins, Don Cherry always said he didn’t worry because he had Bobby Orr on his bench.
And now, just like back in the 1970s, over the boards and on the ice comes No. 4.
“He got fired on Remembrance Day. That is just wrong,” said Orr of Cherry’s dismissal from Hockey Night in Canada by Rogers Sportsnet.
“This whole thing is unbelievable. Don Cherry is a good man and to do this to him is disgusting.”
With many of Cherry’s friends abandoning him, Orr diving into this brawl couldn’t have come at a more critical time.


The Hockey Hall of Famer tells the Toronto Sun that “enough is enough” of smearing and picking on his old coach.
“To throw him under the bus like this is wrong,” said the former Boston Bruins great.
“And for his partner to do it as well. Shame on him.”
Like Cherry, Orr is disappointed Coach’s Corner co-host Ron MacLean buckled to corporate pressures to issue an apology that included saying, “Don made comments that were hurtful and prejudiced.”
This came after MacLean offered a thumbs-up on air and said “That’s why we love you.”
Orr is of the view that Cherry’s awkward wording was taken out of context and turned against him to destroy him. 
“I know what he was saying. We all know what he was saying. He was saying we should buy a poppy. All of us,” said the pride of Parry Sound, now a player representative.
“Don loves our great game. Next to his family the most important people in his life are the military, the police, firefighters and paramedics. He is no bigot. After 38 years on television, if you haven’t figured out Don Cherry, there’s nothing I can do.”
In fact, the legendary defenceman said he is the opposite of a bigot.
“You have no idea the stuff he does for people that nobody knows about,” said Orr. “Don is one most generous people I know.”
On his Coach’s Corner comment about “you people” who “come here” to enjoy our way of life and “milk and honey,” Orr said not once did he think it was meant to be racist.
“I know him better than anybody else, Joe,” said Orr over the phone from Boston.
“Yes, he’s my friend. But I have known him a long time and I know he is not a bigot or a racist.
“He is the most honest and generous guy there is.”
And perhaps the most patriotic about Canada.
“Who has done more?” asked Orr.
“He’s very good to the veterans, the police, the firefighters, minor hockey players and fans. They all know what he meant and I know what he meant.”
While there is definitely a movement relishing Cherry’s downfall, there are far more hockey fans who understand this is an unnecessary career and legacy assassination attempt.


Orr doesn’t think it’s going to work.
“Don Cherry is going to be just fine,” he said.
Many fans are pushing to have him reinstated in time for Saturday night, and there have been discussions behind the scenes by some of the players involved to try to find a way.
But Orr doubts it will happen.
“I can’t see Don wanting any part of that,” he said.
He also feels the character assassination against Grapes is repugnant.
“I am worried about Don as a man. His health and well being. That’s why I have been calling so much. I don’t want anything more to happen to him.”
And neither do most hockey people.
“I have never had more calls on anything. Down here in the United States it’s all impeaching the president and up there it’s all impeaching Don Cherry,” said Orr. “The hockey players love Don. And they respect him.”
So does the Coach’s Corner audience, said Orr.
“There is all of this talk about who is going to replace Don Cherry?” said Orr.
“You don’t replace Don Cherry. There is only one Don Cherry.”
The fact the establishment turned on him for encouraging people to wear poppies is “discouraging and disappointing.”
All of it, said Orr, was unnecessary.
“And it is definitely unfair.”

someone tell Bobby No one is saying Don isn't patriotic, loves the war veterans, gives to charity, loves Canada.lol he also has outdated views on a bunch of things.lol apparently Bobby Orr is a fan of Tucker Carlson. if this is true I don't want to hear what Bobby's politics are because it might ruin my view of him. I had already heard about him turning a person in a wheelchair down for a autograph. I don't want to hear any more.lol

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The Bobby Orr autograph dealie comes down to 2 things:

1. He went broke in the 80's thanks to Alan Eagelson. Signing stuff was one of the ways he recouped that lost money for years.

2. Orr REALLY has an issue with people selling stuff that he signed for them. Remember hearing a story from him of how he was at a children's hospital charity event and when he left people were selling stuff he signed for their kids in the parking lot. Someone who used their kid and a sob story to get an autograph tried to sell it back to Orr for 60 bucks (they didn't recognize Bobby - he was wearing sunglasses)..



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Don Cherry says he would not apologize as condition for return
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TORONTO -- Hockey commentator Don Cherry says the network that fired him "made it impossible" for him to address the comments that led to his dismissal.

He says on his new podcast that he was unwilling to accept Sportsnet's conditions to have him return following his "Coach's Corner" segment on "Hockey Night in Canada" on Nov. 9.

Cherry says "two little words just seemed to set everybody off." The 85-year-old broadcaster made remarks many felt were critical of immigrants for not wearing Remembrance Day poppies. Cherry used the phrase "you people." He contends he was not singling out minorities.

Cherry says he was willing to explain the comment but not apologize. He was fired Nov. 11.

The 27-minute "Grapevine" podcast features Cherry and son Tim.



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broke wrote: 2. Orr REALLY has an issue with people selling stuff that he signed for them. Remember hearing a story from him of how he was at a children's hospital charity event and when he left people were selling stuff he signed for their kids in the parking lot. Someone who used their kid and a sob story to get an autograph tried to sell it back to Orr for 60 bucks (they didn't recognize Bobby - he was wearing sunglasses)..

I wouldn’t autograph shit for free either if I was him and someone tried to work me like that. 



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why am I not surprised he would get a podcast. needs the attention. lol he said "you people come here". he was aiming at immigrants. he has had a problem with "foreigners" for years. old interviews are surfacing with more examples of it.

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I think it's more a surprise that this was one of his milder rants from his career being the one that got him canned, Spatulapup. Not that he aimed his commentary at certain groups. I honestly didn't think it was anything fireable when I heard it, but I'm old.
More for me was Ron McClean finally showing his true colours and throwing Don under the bus. Thats the part that makes me mad...Don getting fired was an eventuality that was gonna come sooner than later. As noted, as this little thing was it, is kind of bizarre to me.

Anyhow the legend of Don Cherry isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Too many people still love him and will continue to do so for this to be a career-tarnisher.



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