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beejmi wrote:  I still got them winning the division next yearI think Josh Allen learns from his pathetic performance in the 4Q yesterday and the Bills take that division.  I honestly don’t see the Pats drawing free agents because they don’t pay and a skill player on offense doesn’t have that “I want to play with TB12” attitude anymore.  I also think players around the league in general don’t want to put up with Belichick’s bullshit.  I don’t think his team will revolt the way the Jags revolted on Coughlin, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see players start to steer clear.



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Superstar wrote: beejmi wrote:  I still got them winning the division next yearI think Josh Allen learns from his pathetic performance in the 4Q yesterday and the Bills take that division.  I honestly don’t see the Pats drawing free agents because they don’t pay and a skill player on offense doesn’t have that “I want to play with TB12” attitude anymore.  I also think players around the league in general don’t want to put up with Belichick’s bullshit.  I don’t think his team will revolt the way the Jags revolted on Coughlin, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see players start to steer clear.Bills had that game but Josh Allen showed his age. Trying to do too much.The play but Watson was awesome . Still don't know how he escaped the sack.



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The Patriots have a tough schedule next year.

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Josh Allen sucks. The Bills defense is great, so if the defense continues to play well, they have a chance to win the division next season.

Jets are an interesting case. Finished 7-9, including a game they never should have lost to Cincinnati. Defense got better as the season went on, and if they can improve their offensive line to being just average, they might catch Buffalo next season.



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I like Josh Allen, he just needs a little experience. I agree with Benlen in that he showed his age (youth).

With some experience, and if he can stay healthy, I like his chances with Buffalo.

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Superstar wrote: It’s over. Brady looked and played like a 42 year old QB. Howie Long once said that football is different than most other sports in that when you “lose it”, it doesn’t happen gradually - you just wake up one day and it’s gone. Brady lost it about five weeks ago.This is interesting and I'd have to agree (yes, I know I cautiously stated that the Patriots will still be around, about 7 posts up).

For Peyton Manning, I think he woke up one day in October 2015 and it was over (I believe it was a home loss to the Chiefs).  I just thought: "yeah, yeah, he's PFM...he'll be okay in a week when he gets this foot thing iced or taped", but it really WAS the beginning of the end. All of his passes looked like dying quails from that point on. 

That said... let's see how the Patriots and Brady do in their first 4 games, next season. As long as there's a rulebook for Belichick to cheat with----errrr---- peruse... then other teams need to take them seriously. 

It's kind of lame how all the local Donkey fans are celebrating the Patriots' playoff exit. "We didn't even sniff the playoffs, but YAY! Somebody else not connected to our team lost! Party! Go Bwoncos! Bestest Team Ever (but only when they're winning)!!!"

It's gross. I have a neighbor who, during Super Bowl 52, was at a party and screaming the entire time "F*ck you Brady! You f*ckin' suck!!"

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It can take fans a while to appreciate, if not like, an outstanding player for a rival team. It generally won't happen while the guy is active. Until recently the Broncos have been in the mix with the Patriots as a top dog in the AFC. Broncos fans wanting him gone while cursing his name and existence is only natural. The appreciation won't set in until Tom Brady has retired or if he moves to another team that is perceived as less of a threat while winding down his career.

The other part of this is that the Patriots have been dominant for nearly 20 years. Apart from winning too often for the tastes of fans of rival teams or neutrals who are bored and want to see new teams on top, it must be said that the Patriots have rarely been a likeable and gracious winner. This is not a team that neutrals and rivals can easily support, even begrudgingly. If this is the beginning of the end, for many fans it is a long time coming.

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When I was a wee lad, I lived in Pittsburgh. Wore my Steeler jacket and t-shirts when we moved out to Denver...and a lot of kids in kindergarten and first grade hated me for it.

Made the switch to a Donkey fan sometime in 1985. Modern Denver fans, since Manning came along in 2012, have become entitled pricks. Sure, I've gotten older and realize it doesn't matter as much, but even in my fandom heyday of the 80's and 90's, I don't think we were that big of assholes. A lot of it was because the Broncos were famous, nationwide, for getting their rumps handed to them in 4 Super Bowls (3 with Elway). When they finally won in 1997 and 1998, I'd get a high-five from random people when traveling and wearing a Bronco shirt. With the exception of Kansas City. Went to a Raiders game in Oakland in 2000... and they were actually cool to me. More of a "love to hate you guys" thing.

Modern Bronco fans don't truly "hate" the Patriots. They're just jealous.



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Which Patriot and what is his dynasty?



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Erick Von Erich wrote: When I was a wee lad, I lived in Pittsburgh. Wore my Steeler jacket and t-shirts when we moved out to Denver...and a lot of kids in kindergarten and first grade hated me for it.

Made the switch to a Donkey fan sometime in 1985. Modern Denver fans, since Manning came along in 2012, have become entitled pricks. Sure, I've gotten older and realize it doesn't matter as much, but even in my fandom heyday of the 80's and 90's, I don't think we were that big of assholes. A lot of it was because the Broncos were famous, nationwide, for getting their rumps handed to them in 4 Super Bowls (3 with Elway). When they finally won in 1997 and 1998, I'd get a high-five from random people when traveling and wearing a Bronco shirt. With the exception of Kansas City. Went to a Raiders game in Oakland in 2000... and they were actually cool to me. More of a "love to hate you guys" thing.

Modern Bronco fans don't truly "hate" the Patriots. They're just jealous.

I've been a Broncos fan since 1985 too, casually for a couple of years and then "The Drive" cemented my fandom.  It was almost entirely predicated on Elway.  I mean I liked guys like Mecklenberg and Nattiel, but it was a one-man show until Terrell Davis came many years later.  I have never blamed the Patriots for any lack of success by Denver the past decade or so, and any hate I have for them is as a football fan, not as a Broncos fan.



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I am always curious about when people become fans of teams from outside their home area when there is an obvious local choice. The Giants had a great run in that era with Super Bowl wins in 1986 and 1990 with several other playoff seasons in that timeframe. The Jets had the New York Sack Exchange playoff teams in the early 1980s and then a couple of playoff seasons in the mid 1980s. The appeal of the Broncos is obvious, but what turned you towards them as opposed to the two New York teams?

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I grew up in Los Angeles but was a 9ers fan because of Lott, Craig, Rathman and Montana. As my favorites left I started to watch the Browns and Oilers and found myself rooting for them more and more and when they relocated I pretty much gave up on the league. If I had to pick now I’d say I was a browns fan but I’m not fan enough to yell about it.


I ended up liking out of market teams with the help of sports magazines, sports cards, Tecmo Super Bowl and the broadcast schedule. After the 9ers come back against the bengals in the super bowl my fondest sports watching memories are the Oilers beating the jets at home in the 91 playoffs and the oilers collapse at the bills in the playoffs.


The NHL game series on the genesis and ESPN broadcasts turned me into a Whalers and Nordique fan as well.



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I grew up a Pats fan even though Buffalo was our local team in a relative sense in Toronto. We got all the AFC East games back then off of Buffalo TV. Buffalo was brutal with Joe Ferguson at QB. I hated Marino, and thought the Jets were boring. I liked Steve Grogan and Andre Tippet.

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I see the Pats bringing in a  top notch receiver and adding a tight end. They'll be back next year.

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tamalie wrote: I am always curious about when people become fans of teams from outside their home area when there is an obvious local choice. The Giants had a great run in that era with Super Bowl wins in 1986 and 1990 with several other playoff seasons in that timeframe. The Jets had the New York Sack Exchange playoff teams in the early 1980s and then a couple of playoff seasons in the mid 1980s. The appeal of the Broncos is obvious, but what turned you towards them as opposed to the two New York teams?
First, my parents have no interest in sports so I have zero familial allegiance.  I just wasn't drawn to the Jets or Giants and I've never been a front-runner so I didn't care who was good.  When I became a Yankees fan in the '80s, it was a Mets city.  The Yankees were average at best (horrendous pitching) and would soon sink to embarrassing depths not long after I became a fan, and it seemed like they were awful forever when you're that age even if it was really just 4 years.  The Broncos were an exciting team, and Elway was an exciting QB, so that drew me in, and then like I said "The Drive" cemented it.  They still had a long way to go though before actually becoming great, and I liked rooting for teams I could watch grow over time.  Even in those SB dominations, they were mostly just Elway and I bunch of nobodies and he was carrying them single-handedly to the end before they were overwhelmed.  It was worth the wait when they finally won it all, and then did it again, in Elway's last 2 seasons after I had waited my whole life to see it.       



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