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ORLANDO, Fla. — Pete Rose again asked Major League Baseball to end his lifetime ban, saying the penalty is unfair compared with discipline for steroids use and electronic sign stealing.
Rose’s lawyers submitted the application Wednesday to baseball Commissioner Rob Manfred, who in December 2015 denied the previous request by the career hits leader.
"The time has come to recognize that Mr. Rose’s penalty has become grossly disproportionate relative to Major League Baseball’s treatment of severe wrongdoing by ownership, management and players," the petition said.
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"There has never been any allegation that Mr. Rose’s misconduct was intended to gain a competitive advantage over other teams," stated the petition, which was first reported by ESPN. "When it comes to subsequent violations of Major League Baseball rules — namely steroid use and electronic sign stealing — this is clearly not the case. They have intentionally and dramatically affected the results of plays and games, including the outcomes of two consecutive World Series. These acts manifestly and deliberately violate the spirit and letter of the rules."
Rose, who turns 79 in April, asked to meet with Manfred, who in his 2015 denial wrote that the 17-time All-Star had "not presented credible evidence of a reconfigured life either by an honest acceptance by him of his wrongdoing, so clearly established in the Dowd Report, or by a rigorous, self-aware and sustained program of avoidance by him of all the circumstances that led to his permanent ineligibility."
Rose cited the joint drug agreement between MLB and the players’ association, which calls for 80-game suspensions for first offenders for performance-enhancing drugs, 162-game bans for second offenders and lifetime bans for thirds penalties with a chance for reinstatement. Manfred reinstated reliever Jenrry Mejia, the only player disciplined three times for PEDs under the major league drug program.
Rose also referenced Manfred’s decision on Jan. 13 to suspend Houston manager AJ Hinch and general manager Jeff Luhnow for one season for their role in the Astros’ use of electronics to steal catchers’ signs in 2017 and 2018 but to not discipline players.
"Proportionality has long been the governing norm when Major League Baseball commissioners have assessed discipline," the petition said. "That guiding principle has not changed, but Major League Baseball’s reactions to potential threats to the integrity of the game have greatly evolved since Mr. Rose’s conduct resulted in a lifetime ban from the game in 1989, and more particularly since his 2015 petition for reinstatement."
Rose also asked baseball’s Hall of Fame to remove the prohibition adopted by the Hall’s board of directors in 1991 to prohibit players on the permanently ineligible list from appearing on the Hall ballot of the Baseball Writers’ Association of America.
Rose’s 20-page petition was submitted by his lawyer, Ray Genco, and three law professors: Mark D. Rosenbaum (UC Irvine), Erwin Chemerinsky (California) and Evan Caminker (Michigan).
Rose also applied for reinstatement in September 1997 and met with Commissioner Bud Selig in November 2002, but Selig never ruled on Rose’s request.

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For fuck sakes, he's been ostracized for over 30 years now. Let him in already 



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He'll never get in alive.



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You go Pete - get back in!! If those Astros players are just going to get a hand slapping, then why not petition for reinstatement.

I agree though, hopefully he'll still be alive when and if that ever happens.

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DJP wrote: For fuck sakes, he's been ostracized for over 30 years now. Let him in already 
This.  He'll never be involved in the game again, but he clearly belongs in the HOF.  He's served his sentence and he'll get in eventually, so let him in while he's still alive.

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chrob61 wrote: You go Pete - get back in!! If those Astros players are just going to get a hand slapping, then why not petition for reinstatement.

I agree though, hopefully he'll still be alive when and if that ever happens.

MLB will dick around and 20 minutes after he dies they will release a statement that they had decided to let him in but couldn't tell him before someone from the office smothered him to death with a pillow in the nursing home.
Probably way more people in the game betting on baseball. He just had the misfortune of getting caught.



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If Pete Rose showed the slightest bit of sincere contrition early on, he might have been reinstated long ago. Instead he lied for years, claiming he hadn't done what he was found guilty of doing, then did deliberately provocative things like having an autograph session down the street from the HOF on induction weekend. After all this time, he still hasn't seemed to fully comprehend why he was punished so harshly in the first place, let alone tried to make amends. The strategy of asking for reinstatement on the basis of punishments given to members of the Astros organization is a sure fire loser. 

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This of course brings with it the question, "what about Shoeless Joe Jackson?" Plus I think the steroid weenies should get in also. It truly was a level playing field in the 90's and 00's because probably 90% were on the gas. I always respected Pete. When he went into the WWE HOF, he truly showed respect to the boys. Some of the candid shots they showed before and after the ceremony always showed Pete listening intently when the boys were telling their stories. Put all the druggies and gambleoholics in. Fuck it. Seriously. Fuck it. Just do it MLB.



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I don't think the steroid freaks like that cunt Barry Bonds should ever get in. They flat out cheated.
I can guarantee that Rose as a player or manager never threw a game, ever. 
It's hypocrital that MLB freaks out on guys who bet on baseball but they ignore the roid retards because Muricans where jerking off in front of their tv's to a greaser,  a nigra and a jew.
Now the World Serious was won 2 years in a row by cheating mofos and no players are getting their testicles torn out at the root.
Baseball vievership is already down because the on field product sucks more thsn the homos on this site and they are going to let a bunch of overpaid prima donnas get away with cheating, so they can find another way to cheat.
The old timely cheating of scuffing baseballs and the stealing of the odd sign because a catcher all but held up a hand printed sign of what pitch was laughable.
Tomortow or on the weekend I may post a random World Series game in the 70's say against one of the last few years and one can judge what was truly the better product.
MLB wants to keep speeding up the game because today's fan has the attention span of dried dog shit. But then they add a 26th roster spot which in my estimation will lead to more specialists and in game substitution. Which is fine in my book.
And LOOGY'S now have to pitch to a minimum of 3 batters. Stupi, stupid, stupid.
Pete Rose deserves to be in the HOF because every one of his 17 thousand singles were legit. Maybe only aided by chewing tobacco.
Barry Bonds big ass steroid filled head wouldn't even fit through the door.



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Angelic Assassin wrote: I don't think the steroid freaks like that cunt Barry Bonds should ever get in. They flat out cheated.
So did almost everyone else. PED's in baseball go back to 1889 when the unfortunately named Pud Galvin took dog and sheep testicles. Babe Ruth....that's right....Babe Ruth actually injected himself with sheep testosterone. It's no secret that as far back as World War II, players were using amphetamines to keep up with the long season. Mantle lost the 1961 home run race because he had an abscess from shooting a crude steroid. Willie Mays and Hank Aaron did speed virtually all year every year. It didn't go hog wild until Canseco made it an art form but there were tons of guys looking for an advantage and willing to do whatever it took. When Sosa and McGwire were knocking every ball out of the park, the guy tossing the ball to them was probably doing the exact same thing.



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It’s been said a million times but if there is money or fame involved someone is willing to go the extra mile for it. Like Wong pointed out bending the rules of out and out cheating have been around for ever so put the best in the hall.



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tamalie wrote: If Pete Rose showed the slightest bit of sincere contrition early on, he might have been reinstated long ago. Instead he lied for years, claiming he hadn't done what he was found guilty of doing, then did deliberately provocative things like having an autograph session down the street from the HOF on induction weekend. After all this time, he still hasn't seemed to fully comprehend why he was punished so harshly in the first place, let alone tried to make amends. The strategy of asking for reinstatement on the basis of punishments given to members of the Astros organization is a sure fire loser. This. Personally I think MLB should tell him “ok, tell you what, we’ll put you in...one day after you pass away.” See what he says then lol



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WongLee wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: I don't think the steroid freaks like that cunt Barry Bonds should ever get in. They flat out cheated.
So did almost everyone else. PED's in baseball go back to 1889 when the unfortunately named Pud Galvin took dog and sheep testicles. Babe Ruth....that's right....Babe Ruth actually injected himself with sheep testosterone. It's no secret that as far back as World War II, players were using amphetamines to keep up with the long season. Mantle lost the 1961 home run race because he had an abscess from shooting a crude steroid. Willie Mays and Hank Aaron did speed virtually all year every year. It didn't go hog wild until Canseco made it an art form but there were tons of guys looking for an advantage and willing to do whatever it took. When Sosa and McGwire were knocking every ball out of the park, the guy tossing the ball to them was probably doing the exact same thing.
Steroids made Jason Giambi a Star,  same for Miguel Tejada.  Steroids did not make Barry Bonds a star.  I have zero proof, but I believe that Rickey Henderson used steroids.  He used to call it muscle juice, and when you look at his HR totals after he crossed paths with Canseco, I don’t think only the ball was juiced.  I could care less about cheating in baseball and steroids.  If you are over age 40, there is zero doubt in my mind that your favorite baseball, football, and basketball players all used steroids.  As you said WongLee, Mays and Aaron did tons of speed, so did Stargell and McCovey.  And the bullshit about Mantle getting that abscess did NOT come from a B-12 shot like those ‘60s carnies led us to believe.  And Roger Clemens?  Steroids didn’t give him pinpoint control nor protect his elbow from the effects of consistent throwing of the splitter.  In fact, steroids should’ve made that elbow more prone to injury.
So what I meant to say is, let the old fucker that bet on baseball into the HOF.  He at least had enough sense to bet against Mario Soto in ‘86.



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Superstar wrote: WongLee wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: I don't think the steroid freaks like that cunt Barry Bonds should ever get in. They flat out cheated.
So did almost everyone else. PED's in baseball go back to 1889 when the unfortunately named Pud Galvin took dog and sheep testicles. Babe Ruth....that's right....Babe Ruth actually injected himself with sheep testosterone. It's no secret that as far back as World War II, players were using amphetamines to keep up with the long season. Mantle lost the 1961 home run race because he had an abscess from shooting a crude steroid. Willie Mays and Hank Aaron did speed virtually all year every year. It didn't go hog wild until Canseco made it an art form but there were tons of guys looking for an advantage and willing to do whatever it took. When Sosa and McGwire were knocking every ball out of the park, the guy tossing the ball to them was probably doing the exact same thing.
Steroids made Jason Giambi a Star,  same for Miguel Tejada.  Steroids did not make Barry Bonds a star.  I have zero proof, but I believe that Rickey Henderson used steroids.  He used to call it muscle juice, and when you look at his HR totals after he crossed paths with Canseco, I don’t think only the ball was juiced.  I could care less about cheating in baseball and steroids.  If you are over age 40, there is zero doubt in my mind that your favorite baseball, football, and basketball players all used steroids.  As you said WongLee, Mays and Aaron did tons of speed, so did Stargell and McCovey.  And the bullshit about Mantle getting that abscess did NOT come from a B-12 shot like those ‘60s carnies led us to believe.  And Roger Clemens?  Steroids didn’t give him pinpoint control nor protect his elbow from the effects of consistent throwing of the splitter.  In fact, steroids should’ve made that elbow more prone to injury.
So what I meant to say is, let the old fucker that bet on baseball into the HOF.  He at least had enough sense to bet against Mario Soto in ‘86.

I agree.  Bonds and Clemens are definite exceptions.
Bonds won 3 MVPs even before all the BALCO stuff.  And, even during the steroid era, the guy hit .360+ on like 370 ABs a year.  There were games he would literally get 1 pitch to hit the entire game, and he'd get a hit.  1 - for 3 intentional BBs.  Steroids or not, that's HOF-level impressive.
Clemens also had 3-4 Cy Youngs before he started juicing.  Let the league in Ks, in Wins, in ERA.  He was the best pitcher in the league numerous times in the 80s and early 90s.  That's HOF worthy.
Pete should be in the HOF based on stats but should still be banned from baseball.  He broke the #1 rule that's on every clubhouse wall.  But, again, the guy is his own worst enemy.

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Superstar wrote:
And Roger Clemens?  Steroids didn’t give him pinpoint control nor protect his elbow from the effects of consistent throwing of the splitter.  In fact, steroids should’ve made that elbow more prone to injury.
Gotta disagree with you on this point my brotha. Pitchers would turn to the gas because of the amazing recovery benefits they would get. If the pitcher had good mechanics to begin with, it may allow a 40 year old power pitcher to keep his fastball in the high 90's. Also, the resting between starts would always have optimal value because the roids would allow him to completely heal over the four days. Clemens at 40,41, and 42 was pitching an average of 212 innings. At 41 he has the ridiculous winning percentage of .818 and struck out 218 in 214 IP. He couldn't have done this unless he was completely revitalized between starts.



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