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Can cheating be considered a tradition?



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The national anthem before games. Not really a tradition, more of a modern invention of indoctrination. Causes nothing but trouble and completely unnecessary.



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This will mean nothing to most of you, but the sectarian split in Scottish football (soccer) is the single worst thing about the beautiful country of Scotland, with whatever the second worst thing is being a distant second.



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When Rangers went bust and re-started, it was a great chance to get rid of all that...

The most notable song for fans of England's rugby union national side is "Swing Low Sweet Chariot". Originally in honour of the black winger Martin "Chariots" Offiah, but it's been retained since. The RFU is now suggesting that it's cultural appropriation to use a slave spiritual as a supporting song. Which is beyond mental, but never underestimate how stupid sporting bodies are.



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kargol wrote: When Rangers went bust and re-started, it was a great chance to get rid of all that...


It's hard-wired into Glaswegians from birth. Schools are still divided on religious grounds in some parts of Glasgow.



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Kriss wrote: This will mean nothing to most of you, but the sectarian split in Scottish football (soccer) is the single worst thing about the beautiful country of Scotland, with whatever the second worst thing is being a distant second.
What is the sectarian split?



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The Ultimate Sin wrote: Kriss wrote: This will mean nothing to most of you, but the sectarian split in Scottish football (soccer) is the single worst thing about the beautiful country of Scotland, with whatever the second worst thing is being a distant second.
What is the sectarian split?


The two biggest clubs, by far (two out of three fans in the country support one or the other, and no other football fan is neutral, even if it just means hating one more than the other) are Rangers and Celtic, both from Glasgow. Celtic were formed by Irish immigrants and traditionally followed by Catholics, while Rangers and followed by Protestants. Many schools in Glasgow have a religious affiliation to one faith or the other. You will sometimes hear one Glaswegian ask another which school they went to. This isn't out of interest. They want to know if the school is names after a saint, i.e. a Catholic school. The Troubles from Northern Ireland also play into the this. Fuck the Pope, Fuck the Queen, depending on if you wear green or blue. Old Irish battles that go back to 1689 still taking place in the streets and stadiums of Scotland in 2020. There is a similar divide in Glasgow between Hibernian, the Irish team, and Hearts, although that rivalry is much more contained to the sporting venues.



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Rangers are one of the oldest teams in Scotland, formed back in 1872. Celtic were formed in 1888 specifically to raise money for new arrivals in Glasgow, who were shoved into slums in the east end. But within about six months, the moneymen had taken over Celtic, and brought in a load of top players (most notably from Hibernian in Edinburgh, which nearly killed that club), so were a power almost instantly.

They were helped in that the two other big clubs in Glasgow at the time - Third Lanark and Queen's Park - stayed amateur, so there was a big market. Third Lanark did go pro but went bust in the 1960s as a property developer predated their ground. Queen's Park remained amateur until literally two months ago.

But neither club was founded as a sectarian entity. Even now, a few hundred yards from Rangers' ground, there's a team founded by the staff at the seminary of St Anthony's who play in green and white. It's just that Rangers supporters - often dockworkers and shipbuilders from Govan in the west of Glasgow - in particular saw themselves as in the vanguard against the "immigrant" team.

And Scotland has a strong streak of Presbyterianism, and distrust of Roman Catholicism, so those sort of accreted to Rangers in order to stop Celtic. Celtic have always had Protestant players, some of their greatest players grew up as Rangers fans (e.g. Jock Stein, Kenny Dalglish, Paul Lambert, and Danny McGrain), whereas Rangers never had Roman Catholics (other than secret ones) until the 1980s.

Although, when I worked in Scotland, I was told that the Old Firm game was NOTHING compared to whenever Auchinleck Talbot played Cumnock. Which is a game hardly anyone outside of Scotland had ever heard of. Two neighbouring miner villages that had a vitriolic rivalry in non-league football.

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Angelic Assassin wrote: Can cheating be considered a tradition?



Stanley Cup champions all drinking champagne from the Cup.Maybe with their own straws

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Wrigley Field. Opponents HRs thrown back into the field. Time to move on.

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srossi wrote: The national anthem before games. Not really a tradition, more of a modern invention of indoctrination. Causes nothing but trouble and completely unnecessary.
This! I am surprised that leagues haven't done away with the national anthem.
I will add the prayer invocation that is done prior to NASCAR races. I am expecting this to be the next hot topic that NASCAR will have to deal with.

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beejmi wrote: Wrigley Field. Opponents HRs thrown back into the field. Time to move on.
That’s everywhere. 



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If I ever caught a Home Run ball, I would keep it.  Even if I needed to change seats. Fuck them.

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kargol wrote: When Rangers went bust and re-started, it was a great chance to get rid of all that...

The most notable song for fans of England's rugby union national side is "Swing Low Sweet Chariot". Originally in honour of the black winger Martin "Chariots" Offiah, but it's been retained since. The RFU is now suggesting that it's cultural appropriation to use a slave spiritual as a supporting song. Which is beyond mental, but never underestimate how stupid sporting bodies are.


Little drives me crazier than the whole cultural appropriation thing. Culture is culture. It's all out there for everyone to take part in and to adopt and adapt to their own use and style. No one owns culture. It isn't proprietary. If a particular group, whether religious, racial, ethnic, tribal, regional, language or whatever in nature, comes up with a song or style of music, hairstyle, clothing style, cooking style, style of dance, type of craftsmanship, type of musical instrument or tool and so on, anyone else can use it. This madness isn't going away soon, unfortunately, but I wish it would.

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