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 Posted: Fri Nov 30th, 2007 09:05 am
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If Jim Rice doesn't get in this year it will be a farce. I think that a lot of voters are using Rice's disdain for the press against him which is not fair.



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Official announcement coming in about 30 minutes...

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CanadianHorseman wrote: If Jim Rice doesn't get in this year it will be a farce. I think that a lot of voters are using Rice's disdain for the press against him which is not fair.
It will be a farce if Rice gets in ahead of Dawson.

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lobo316 wrote: CanadianHorseman wrote: If Jim Rice doesn't get in this year it will be a farce. I think that a lot of voters are using Rice's disdain for the press against him which is not fair.
It will be a farce if Rice gets in ahead of Dawson.

Agreed.  I think it'll be a farce if Rice gets in before Raines, honestly.

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• Rod Beck
• Bert Blyleven
• Andre Dawson
• Rich Gossage
• Don Mattingly
• Mark McGwire
• Jack Morris
• Dale Murphy
• Dave Parker
• Lee Smith
• Todd Stottlemyre
• Alan Trammell



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 Posted: Tue Jan 8th, 2008 06:03 pm
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Goose Gossage.  That's it this year.

Full voting soon as it's up somewhere.

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Player                                      Votes    Percentage
Rich Gossage                               466    85.8%
Jim Rice                                        392    72.2%
Andre Dawson                             358    65.9%
Bert Blyleven                               336    61.9%
Lee Smith                                    235    43.3%
Jack Morris                                   233    42.9%
Tommy John                                158    29.1%
Tim Raines                                    132    24.3%
Mark McGwire                               128    23.6%
Alan Trammell                                99    18.2%
Dave Concepcion                            88    16.2%
Don Mattingly                                86    15.8%
Dave Parker                                    82    15.1%
Dale Murphy                                    75    13.8%
Harold Baines                                28    5.2%
Rod Beck                                        2    0.4%
Travis Fryman                                2    0.4%
Robb Nen                                        2    0.4%
Shawon Dunston                           1    0.2%
Chuck Finley                                    1    0.2%
David Justice                                  1    0.2%
Chuck Knoblauch                            1    0.2%
Todd Stottlemyre                           1    0.2%
Jose Rijo                                        0    0%
Brady Anderson                            0    0%

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Damn, no Dawson. I'd like to know who the idiot was who
voted for Todd Stottlemyre. 

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 Posted: Tue Jan 8th, 2008 06:12 pm
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Some analysis:

First off, the exclusion of McGwire.  Provided that this is the case for everyone that comes down the pipe from here on out, this is fair.  If it isn't, it's a travesty.  And I'm sure it isn't going to be consistent.

Tim Raines should be far, far higher on this list, and Dawson should be in.  I think all the years in Montreal are hurting their cases.

If we're excluding guys because we suspect steroid use...why are those who aren't suspected still held down?  Don Mattingly.  And I again submit, If Sandy Koufax belongs, why doesn't Mattingly?  Noone seems able to answer that.

I have no doubt that Smith, Dawson, Raines, Rice and McGwire will all eventually be in.  Blyleven too.  I'm happy to see Gossage in - he belongs. 

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Probably Bob Klapisch or somebody who was personal friends with his dad, Mel.



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I thought Blylevin was getting in.



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 Posted: Tue Jan 8th, 2008 07:56 pm
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I thought Blyleven had a good shot this year too - as did all the borderline candidates.  These "down years" are always kind to guys like them on the borderline.  I figured for sure 3 of the guys always named as should-be's would get it this year.

At least 1 did.

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 Posted: Tue Jan 8th, 2008 08:17 pm
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I loved Travis Fryman when he was a Tiger, but please.  Two Hall of Fame votes?  Even if his Mom had a vote, that means some other asshole voted for him too.



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 Posted: Tue Jan 8th, 2008 08:21 pm
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2 of the Detroit writers always vote for every Tiger that's on the ballot.  Fryman ain't even the worst guy they've voted for.  Think they voted for Mike Henneman a few years back.

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The lack of support for Mattingly is shocking and ridiculous.  If he's not a HOFer then fine, but don't fucking make a mockery of the process by having guys like Dave Concepcion and Tommy John get more votes.




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