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 Posted: Tue Mar 23rd, 2021 05:46 pm
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I don’t think it can happen in every ballpark but it is getting used in the minor leagues this year.

So - what do you think?

Is it important to ‘get it right’ at all costs?


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You have to admit, there is a dynamic between the hitter and the umpire as well as the pitcher vs the umpire. Arguments and disagreements throughout.

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I prefer the personal touch, and with the exception of a couple of umps at this point the strike zone is very uniform anyway. But I think going electronic is inevitable eventually.



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I'm definitely not opposed to it, especially if it eliminates the ridiculous "pitch framing" that has come to the forefront in recent years. I think it's something catcher's have always tried, to varying extents, but now it's actually regarded in a statistical sense - which to me is crazy. Catchers are actually rated on their pitch-framing ability.

I'm not sure how the technology is supposed to work, but hopefully it's better than the "Fox Box" or the CF camera with an outline. The camera angles are always skewed a bit depending on where they are set up and sometimes misrepresent the strike zone.



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I hate the hostility and bitching that goes on between the players, umpires, and fans during games. Bring on the robots.

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Blazer wrote: ...I'm not sure how the technology is supposed to work, but hopefully it's better than the "Fox Box" or the CF camera with an outline. The camera angles are always skewed a bit depending on where they are set up and sometimes misrepresent the strike zone.
Agreed. During the Orioles telecasts, that strike zone graphic is displayed for every pitch. It makes the umpires look like idiots since the umps are consistently calling strikes for pitches that are outside the strike zone on the graphic. The calls can't be that bad though since nobody complains. It makes me wonder if the graphic is calibrated correctly.

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If the electronic strike zone does anything it will help the hitters. The previously described pitch framing won't be a factor at all...Hitters will get a lot of walks early on and when the pitchers figure out every strike has to be an actual strike, it will take time for them to be able to do that without getting lit up.

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Big Garea Fan wrote: Blazer wrote: ...I'm not sure how the technology is supposed to work, but hopefully it's better than the "Fox Box" or the CF camera with an outline. The camera angles are always skewed a bit depending on where they are set up and sometimes misrepresent the strike zone.
Agreed. During the Orioles telecasts, that strike zone graphic is displayed for every pitch. It makes the umpires look like idiots since the umps are consistently calling strikes for pitches that are outside the strike zone on the graphic. The calls can't be that bad though since nobody complains. It makes me wonder if the graphic is calibrated correctly.

Exactly.  I rarely ever hear the announcers bring up this point.  In fact, maybe once ever did I hear someone mention it.  But, the centerfield camera is never directly behind the pitcher.  It can't be, or else it would be blocked by the pitcher.  Generally it's skewed a bit towards the left centerfield side, and sometimes it's moved over even more so that it's not in the batter's eye/hitting background.  Usually it's also 25-50ft above the field.  So you've got a camera 430-ft away, maybe 10-15 degrees rotated from centerfield, trying to zoom in and zoom down and then using a digitzed outline to represent the "strike zone", which sometimes doesn't even change based on the batter that's up to the plate.
If they can figure out how to solve that, I'm on board.



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I always assumed that the tech would be planted around the plate and would generate a field of some sort that, when the ball penetrated it at any point, would set off the "strike" beep.
Obviously it would have to be able to react to the ball only, not the catcher reaching in or the bat or batter contacting it.

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Blazer wrote: Big Garea Fan wrote: Blazer wrote: ...I'm not sure how the technology is supposed to work, but hopefully it's better than the "Fox Box" or the CF camera with an outline. The camera angles are always skewed a bit depending on where they are set up and sometimes misrepresent the strike zone.
Agreed. During the Orioles telecasts, that strike zone graphic is displayed for every pitch. It makes the umpires look like idiots since the umps are consistently calling strikes for pitches that are outside the strike zone on the graphic. The calls can't be that bad though since nobody complains. It makes me wonder if the graphic is calibrated correctly.

Exactly.  I rarely ever hear the announcers bring up this point.  In fact, maybe once ever did I hear someone mention it.  But, the centerfield camera is never directly behind the pitcher.  It can't be, or else it would be blocked by the pitcher.  Generally it's skewed a bit towards the left centerfield side, and sometimes it's moved over even more so that it's not in the batter's eye/hitting background.  Usually it's also 25-50ft above the field.  So you've got a camera 430-ft away, maybe 10-15 degrees rotated from centerfield, trying to zoom in and zoom down and then using a digitzed outline to represent the "strike zone", which sometimes doesn't even change based on the batter that's up to the plate.
If they can figure out how to solve that, I'm on board.

I think you’ve hit on a key point here. Getting a digital strike zone calibrated is difficult enough, but then you have to factor in how to calibrate this for every batter that comes to the plate. A one size fits all approach to the strike zone doesn’t work, and must also be able to work in real time as one batter leaves the box and the next enters. 



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I'm not for it. If you want to use technology to determine a fault in tennis or a goal in soccer, well, those are black and white circumstances where technology makes sense. The strike zone, however, changes from batter to batter. I don't think a machine should be making those decisions and more than one should determine holding in football or boarding in hockey.



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I wanna see a batter getting pissed off after striking out on a called third strike and then taking his bat to the electronic strike zone gizmo.

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They should place sensors in the batters uniform and around the plate and use the intersection to create a personal strike zone for each batter



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Franchise wrote: They should place sensors in the batters uniform and around the plate and use the intersection to create a personal strike zone for each batterThat is more along the lines of how I thought they would do this. If not, they should consider it if their method fails, it's a good solution, as long as the players can't access their uniform sensors and fudge them to make the zone smaller lol.

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GTFO with this. 

Electronic Strike Zone
Pitch Clock
7 Inning doubleheaders or whatever the bullshit is.
Starting with a runner on 2nd in extra innings.
Openers as opposed to actual starting pitchers.

It's barely baseball anymore.

Might as well have the Commish sit at his computer in his office and play the entire season on some SIM game in an afternoon.


You don't want your team losing in the World Series because a pitch that sails over the backstop is called a strike but ever so slowly but with increasing speed the human element is being taken out of baseball and other sports. Might as well just not have players on the field.

Much like nobody cares to watch the over rehearsed spot fest rhythmic gymnastics that is the WWE I don't care to watch a game of baseball where the umps and the players really have been neutered.   Part of the entertainment of watching a ball game is the interaction between the players, managers and officiating crew . There will be bad calls as well but that is part of the fabric of the game we all grew up watching.How long before teams learn to somehow manipulate the electronic strike zone. I say give me back the baseball of the 60's and 70's where it didn't matter if a game was 3+ hours long, you were riveted to the screen the entire time.  

 



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I think it is time for the change to the electronic strike zone for all the reasons mentioned, i.e...inconsistent strike zones, pitch-framing, etc.

I am for it at all levels.



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